Big Guy Posted August 9, 2014 Report Posted August 9, 2014 On Monday, July 28, a small group of Hindu priests arrived at Pearson International Airport. They requested that they be cleared by only male border officers. The CBSA complied with their request and juggled some schedules to accommodate them. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/cbsa-allowed-religious-travellers-to-avoid-female-guards-1.2730402 A female CBSA officer, fearing she could be disciplined for speaking out, spoke on the condition that her name and identity be withheld. The officer said she and her colleagues — whose job involves screening passengers for entry into Canada after they arrive on international flights — were told before their shift not to switch work stations with other officers without first asking a supervisor Is this religious freedom vs gender equality? The interesting aspect to this is that federal Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney, whose office is responsible for CBSA representative said “we expect the CBSA to apply the same rules to all persons seeking entry to Canada.” The spokesman also said the minister "has asked the CBSA to investigate these allegations and act accordingly”. Later, on CBC, Paul Calandra, representing the PMO position backed Blaney in that these Hindu priests should not have been accommodated. This question of what is “appropriate accommodation” tore Quebec apart and I am sure that the Harper government does not want this as an issue. Just what is the level of “appropriate accommodation” on the federal level? Should these priests have been accommodated? Should the level of “appropriate accommodation” become an issue in the next election? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
RB Posted August 9, 2014 Report Posted August 9, 2014 I might still be the only naive female left. First I just don't get what is so god fearing about women. Not to see them, associate with them and be seen by them. Quote
Topaz Posted August 9, 2014 Report Posted August 9, 2014 I wonder what these priest would say if they only could see a female doctor, if they needed a doctor while here?? Quote
The_Squid Posted August 9, 2014 Report Posted August 9, 2014 It's Canada.... We are supposed to treat each other equally. If the priests don't like it, they don't have to cross the border. Put them on the next flight back. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted August 9, 2014 Report Posted August 9, 2014 It's Canada.... We are supposed to treat each other equally. If the priests don't like it, they don't have to cross the border. Put them on the next flight back. I'm not seeing a big deal here....we make accommodations to everyone.....vivent les canadien. I'll try to remember all this outrage when that 200lb pugface in line refuses a male pat down b/c she isn't comfortable with him groping her. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 9, 2014 Report Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) I'm not seeing a big deal here....we make accommodations to everyone.....vivent les canadien. I'll try to remember all this outrage when that 200lb pugface in line refuses a male pat down b/c she isn't comfortable with him groping her. Absolutely! Edited August 9, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Moonlight Graham Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Be served by a female border officer or go home. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Wilber Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Just say OK, but you will have to wait until one is available. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Bob Macadoo Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Just say OK, but you will have to wait until one is available. They were there already......they just wanted to choose which wicket they went to. No big whoop. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 10, 2014 Author Report Posted August 10, 2014 They were there already......they just wanted to choose which wicket they went to. No big whoop. I tend to agree. What if it would have been a group of old nuns from a monastic order requesting dealing with women only? I believe reasonable accommodation is accommodating someone for any purpose when it is "reasonable". We already make special provisions for the very old, ill or handicapped - where possible. The difficulty will be when people with turbans refuse to deal with government employees wearing a yamaka - and vice versa. It is still an issue that may rear its ugly head during the campaign for the next election. It will be interesting to see which direction the different party leaders will take. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Wilber Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) They were there already......they just wanted to choose which wicket they went to. No big whoop.My thought as well. If half the agents are female, you might have to wait twice as long to get through, but CRA shouldn't be changing its staffing just to accomodate them.As far as the old, ill or hadicapped go, they usually let people in wheel chairs use the crew line. Edited August 10, 2014 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
kimmy Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 I don't see this as a big problem. Don't we usually make an effort to respect this kind of request? For example if a strip search is to be performed on a female suspect, don't they generally have a female officer perform the search? Or allow a female patient to request that a female nurse be present during an examination? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Shady Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 I don't see this as a big problem. Don't we usually make an effort to respect this kind of request? For example if a strip search is to be performed on a female suspect, don't they generally have a female officer perform the search? Or allow a female patient to request that a female nurse be present during an examination? -k Exactly. I was thinking about a group of nuns prefering female border officers for screenings as well. This isn't really about gender equality. Nobody is saying that there can't be female border officials. Quote
Shady Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 I tend to agree. What if it would have been a group of old nuns from a monastic order requesting dealing with women only?. I didn't see this before I posted. But that's what I was also thinking. Quote
The_Squid Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) When have nuns ever refused service from a male border guard because they prefer a female border guard? Cite please. Edited August 10, 2014 by The_Squid Quote
jacee Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 I'm not seeing a big deal here....we make accommodations to everyone.....vivent les canadien. I'll try to remember all this outrage when that 200lb pugface in line refuses a male pat down b/c she isn't comfortable with him groping her. Yup. I'll assert my right not to be patted down by a male cbsa. . Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Yup. I'll assert my right not to be patted down by a male cbsa. . Sorry for the sexism.....just thought it emphasized my point better. Quote
jacee Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Sorry for the sexism.....just thought it emphasized my point better. Equal doesn't mean same. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 I have a female family physician. If I were to lose her as my family physician, I would wait months for the next available female doctor. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 I have a female family physician. If I were to lose her as my family physician, I would wait months for the next available female doctor. Me too....I like that mine has smaller digits ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Me too....I like that mine has smaller digits ! Too bad about the cost! Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Me too....I like that mine has smaller digits ! WTF are you talking about? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 WTF are you talking about? He's trying to make some sort of limp joke referring to prostate exams. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 He's trying to make some sort of limp joke referring to prostate exams. He's a moron Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Bob Macadoo Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Equal doesn't mean same. You're correct. The gurus had a pre-documented specific reasoning for their absurdity. Quote
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