Black Dog Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 Easy answer. If the consumers of the product decide it's an issue, than they will vote with their pocket books and televisions. The bigger concern is the light punishments by the criminal justice system. Not their employer. The legal punishments on offer are irrelevant: they wouldn't have won the case anyway. Quote
Mighty AC Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 The Radisson hotel group pulled their sponsorship of the Vikes in response to AP's child abuse issues. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/radisson-pulls-minnesota-vikings-sponsorship-deal-article-1.1940960 Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 The Radisson hotel group pulled their sponsorship of the Vikes in response to AP's child abuse issues. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/radisson-pulls-minnesota-vikings-sponsorship-deal-article-1.1940960 I think they suspended sponsorship....not cancelled entirely. It's a local deal. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 I think they suspended sponsorship....not cancelled entirely. It's a local deal. I doubt the Vikings could care less about Radisson. AP jersey sales probably make them more money in a month. Quote
Mighty AC Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 Pro sports arrest rate by league: Calculation: total arrests/total players * 100,000 From 2010 to 2014 NFL - 2,466 NBA - 2,157 MLB - 533 NHL - 175 The NFL and NBA have an arrest rate 14 times higher than the NHL. Though I suppose that is to be expected since hockey is rich kid's sport. I wonder why baseball comes in so low? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Boges Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Pro sports arrest rate by league: Calculation: total arrests/total players * 100,000 From 2010 to 2014 NFL - 2,466 NBA - 2,157 MLB - 533 NHL - 175 The NFL and NBA have an arrest rate 14 times higher than the NHL. Though I suppose that is to be expected since hockey is rich kid's sport. I wonder why baseball comes in so low? You know the answer to that question. Whether it's race or poverty, the people that excel in those sports don't need a lot of money to get into those sports. A lot of news has been made about the lack of American Black kids that are taking up baseball. Also baseball is kind of like Soccer, you generally don't have to be a physical freak to do well in baseball. BTW I posted a story earlier in this thread that the rates of domestic assault arrests for NFL players is below the national average. Edited September 16, 2014 by Boges Quote
Mighty AC Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) BTW I posted a story earlier in this thread that the rates of domestic assault arrests for NFL players is below the national average.They should be; athletes are away from home far more than the average person. Edited September 16, 2014 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Boges Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 They should be; athletes are away from home far more than the average person. The poverty rate amongst pro athletes is also 0%. Just saying, there aren't some prevailing trait amongst people that play football at a pro level that make them more likely to be criminals. Quote
Mighty AC Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) The poverty rate amongst pro athletes is also 0%. Just saying, there aren't some prevailing trait amongst people that play football at a pro level that make them more likely to be criminals. Do you think money erases bevaiours and personality traits developed during formative years spent in poor, high crime environments? I think poor, inner city athletes rarely leave that environment behind completely when they make it. Edited September 16, 2014 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Boges Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 Do you think money erases bevaiours and personality traits developed during formative years spent in poor, high crime environments? I think poor, inner city athletes rarely leave that environment behind completely when they make it. No, no it doesn't. There was a 30 for 30 on TSN about how pro athletes often go broke after their career because of many different factors. One of the main one is they feel obliged to share their wealth with their family and friends back home. A lot of the problems arise from the company these athletes keep. Quote
Big Guy Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Posted September 16, 2014 Pro sports arrest rate by league: .... The NFL and NBA have an arrest rate 14 times higher than the NHL. Though I suppose that is to be expected since hockey is rich kid's sport. I wonder why baseball comes in so low? To be arrested you have to be caught. When a child is taught the game they are taught how to STEAL bases, STEAL signs, HIT the cut-off man, BEAT THE RAP and other ways of not getting caught. You know there is a problem when a sport celebrates MURDERERS ROW. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Fail Horn for me. Guess that Radisson thing forced the Vikes hand. AP is out until his legal matters taken care of. Probably the full year. Quote
Big Guy Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Posted September 17, 2014 Fail Horn for me. Guess that Radisson thing forced the Vikes hand. AP is out until his legal matters taken care of. Probably the full year. And what if he is found "not guilty" during the trial? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 And what if he is found "not guilty" during the trial? Trial of public opinion. He's admitted to doing it but like with Ray Rice, he probably won't face jail time. Anheuser-Busch also got in on the outrage bandwagon which is wildly ironic considering how many children have likely been beaten because of use of their product. Quote
Mighty AC Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Fail Horn for me. Guess that Radisson thing forced the Vikes hand. AP is out until his legal matters taken care of. Probably the full year. It's a good thing...but bad for my pool. It's nice to know that the NFL is starting to treat assault and abuse almost as seriously as smoking weed. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Big Guy Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Posted September 17, 2014 Trial of public opinion. He's admitted to doing it but like with Ray Rice, he probably won't face jail time. Anheuser-Busch also got in on the outrage bandwagon which is wildly ironic considering how many children have likely been beaten because of use of their product. I do not disagree. I personally do not like trials by public opinion. He still feels as if he did nothing wrong and has been in custody battles with his former ... I hope that the "evidence" and publicity is not a result of a custody battle. If the guy is a lout then he deserves everything he gets - from the judicial system. I am looking forward to the NFL setting up its "penalties" chart. Looks like one year for alleged child assault, 6 months for cold cocking your girlfriend/wife, and numerous for enhancing drug use. How about a DUI, speeding, public drunkedness etc. It will be interesting to compare the NFL judicial system penalties (including non-criminal acts) to those of the American judicial system. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Wilber Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Pro sports arrest rate by league:Calculation: total arrests/total players * 100,000From 2010 to 2014NFL - 2,466NBA - 2,157MLB - 533NHL - 175The NFL and NBA have an arrest rate 14 times higher than the NHL. Though I suppose that is to be expected since hockey is rich kid's sport. I wonder why baseball comes in so low? Considering the NFL and NBA draw far more players from colleges than the other two, kind of makes you question the value of a college education Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Boges Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Considering the NFL and NBA draw far more players from colleges than the other two, kind of makes you question the value of a college education Dunno, Notre Dame, The University of Michigan, Duke The University of Miami, Stanford. etc etc etc. All pretty nice schools. Then there are some pretty crappy schools but they have gigantic football programs. Quote
Wilber Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Dunno, Notre Dame, The University of Michigan, Duke The University of Miami, Stanford. etc etc etc. All pretty nice schools. Then there are some pretty crappy schools but they have gigantic football programs. Yes there are good schools with football programs but it really makes you wonder about the way sports scholarships are handled. Too often more for the benefit of the schools than the students. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Boges Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Yes there are good schools with football programs but it really makes you wonder about the way sports scholarships are handled. Too often more for the benefit of the schools than the students. They generate a lot of money, for a lot of people and the school. It's also a feeder system for the NFL Quote
Wilber Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 They generate a lot of money, for a lot of people and the school. It's also a feeder system for the NFL It's a money machine all right but very few college players make it into the top pro level, so what happens to the rest? Do they leave college with something usefull or were they just used as free talent developement by the leagues and as cash generators for the college? Unlike football and basketball, baseball and hockey have their own minor league teams and have a vested interest in developing their young talent. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Boges Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) It's a money machine all right but very few college players make it into the top pro level, so what happens to the rest? Do they leave college with something usefull or were they just used as free talent developement by the leagues and as cash generators for the college? Unlike football and basketball, baseball and hockey have their own minor league teams and have a vested interest in developing their young talent. Why wouldn't they? If you don't think you're making the pros wouldn't you use a Scholarship as a tool to better your life? US schools give scholarships for plenty of sports that don't have top pro leagues. But then again people go to college for stuff like Art History, so what's their excuse? The NFL does have a vested interest in keeping leagues like the CFL around. There's Semi-Pro and Arena League Football to keep people who can't make it to the top level playing, if they want. Edited September 17, 2014 by Boges Quote
Wilber Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Why wouldn't they? If you don't think you're making the pros wouldn't you use a Scholarship as a tool to better your life? US schools give scholarships for plenty of sports that don't have top pro leagues. But then again people go to college for stuff like Art History, so is eeveloping for hat's their excuse? The NFL does have a vested interest in keeping leagues like the CFL around. There's Semi-Pro and Arena League Football to keep people who can't make it to the top level playing, if they want. It would depend a lot on the school. If on the field performance is the number one demand on the student, academic performance is bound to suffer. The NFL's interest in other leagues is not the same as owning minor league teams that are composed of your own players. The NFL uses those leagues for free access to players someone else is developing for them. I see the NFL as parasitic in comparison to baseball and hockey. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Boges Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) It would depend a lot on the school. If on the field performance is the number one demand on the student, academic performance is bound to suffer. The NFL's interest in other leagues is not the same as owning minor league teams that are composed of your own players. The NFL uses those leagues for free access to players someone else is developing for them. I see the NFL as parasitic in comparison to baseball and hockey. That's the way it is. I don't imagine Minor league football would be all that popular. D-League basketball draws flies but it's played in an arena. But with Football you generally need to play in big stadiums. It's an interesting sidenote that we may see the end of the CFLs Toronto Argonauts in the next few years. The main tenant of the Rogers Centre, Blue Jays, want to put natural grass in the stadium. It would be impossible to keep the Argos playing there if that's the case. BMO field is built for Soccer and would need $30 million in renovations to host a CFL team. MLSE wants the 3 levels of government to chip in if that'll happen. The Feds refuse because if they do it for the Argos then the CFL teams that make money will want a piece. Hamilton just got a new stadium for the Pan Am games, there is no money to build another stadium in the region for that even, plus it's only a year away. You could play at York or UofT but those stadiums only hold like 5,000 people. A for-profit football team would need to generate like 20,000 people a game. So that's sort of the same reason a developmental league for the NFL would likely never work gotta have a large stadium for a team that may not be all that popular. Edited September 17, 2014 by Boges Quote
overthere Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 It's a money machine all right but very few college players make it into the top pro level, so what happens to the rest? Do they leave college with something usefull or were they just used as free talent developement by the leagues and as cash generators for the college? Unlike football and basketball, baseball and hockey have their own minor league teams and have a vested interest in developing their young talent. The rest? Look for jobs for which they have zero experience and little chance of getting, since only about 50% of NCAA black athletes graduate. It's not just young talent that plays hockey and baseball. Guys in their 30s are common in minor pro leagues, you can make a decent living for years without playing in the NFL or MLB. Not so with football. It is a reason the NFL is so financially successful: they pay little for player development. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
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