Football Penalties

[Boges]

I agree completely. The NFL wanted to let it slide because Ray helps them and the Ravens make money. Morally, both the NFL and Ray RIce are lacking here. However, the video went public and the NFL had to make up for a bad decision. Ray deserved to pay the price for his decision even if the league was originally hoping to sweep it under the rug.

I love that Ray Lewis said "I'm nothing like Ray Rice". You know you effed up when a murder accomplice distances himself from you. Anyway, I expect Rice will be back in a year.

Thankfully, Ray's willingness to beat women and Janay's glass jaw have probably prompted the league to treat domestic violence cases more seriously going forward. You know, provided they think the public will get wind of the details.

What's problematic about this hap-hazard ruling by the NFL is that it goes further than the new penalties the NFL instituted in response to the Ray Rice incidence in the first place.

They gave 2 games, Roger Goddell caught blow back so he makes the penalty 6 games. Then the video comes out (only confirming what Rice admitted to) and then he suspends Rice indefinitely. (essentially meaning his season is done)

It's total double jeopardy and it appears they're making up the rules on the fly. Does the next NFL player (and there will be others) that is accused of domestic assault get an indefinite suspension and a termination of their contract? Or only if there's video evidence of it?

Edited September 10, 2014 by Boges

[Black Dog]

What's problematic about this hap-hazard ruling by the NFL is that it goes further than the new penalties the NFL instituted in response to the Ray Rice incidence in the first place.

They gave 2 games, Roger Goddell caught blow back so he makes the penalty 6 games. Then the video comes out (only confirming what Rice admitted to) and then he suspends Rice indefinitely. (essentially meaning his season is done)

It's total double jeopardy and it appears they're making up the rules on the fly. Does the next NFL player (and there will be others) that is accused of domestic assault get an indefinite suspension and a termination of their contract? Or only if there's video evidence of it?

Maybe they should stop beating their wives/girlfriends so we don't have to find out.

[Boges]

Maybe they should stop beating their wives/girlfriends so we don't have to find out.

Interestingly NFL players getting arrested for Domestic Assault is lower than the National Average.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/

Not saying it's right, but to tag NFL players as thugs is a fallacy. We only know about it because they are reported.

Edited September 10, 2014 by Boges

[Boges]

I just heard on the radio that the AP is reporting that the video was delivered to the NFL offices . . . IN APRIL!!!

Roger Goddell is so bleeped.

[WestCoastRunner]

She could do that, but that makes her a complete monster, and everyone will know it.

This happened months ago and she's since married him. If she does leave him now, it would have to be because of the money. Unless of course he hits her all the time. No evidence of that.

You have no evidence that he hasn't hit her before. In fact, according to statistics of domestic violence, that was not his first time hitting her, especially with the degree of violence and it was most likely not his last time. There are many, many reasons that women do not leave their abuse partners and many reason that they marry and continue to support them. Too many to list here and far too complex an issue. I am, quite frankly, surprised at the responses I am seeing from the men here. They obviously know nothing about the issues of domestic violence.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yawn...it's an old story with different results. Numerous players have been in this situation. Former CFL/NFL great Warren Moon got his wife to take the blame back in the 90's, then she divorced his ass and took his money. Back in the bad old days, being able to take a punch was an admirable trait.

[WestCoastRunner]

The NFL is going to re-admit a player later this year who got drunk, drove and killed a guy. So their "image" isn't improved by firing a guy over something many players have done in the past but doing it on video.

Domestic violence against women is a far greater issue then killing someone while driving drunk. Far more people die from domestic violence than victims of drunk driving. Especially against women of colour.

[WestCoastRunner]

She is rightly embarassed , probably from reading that she set women back a few decades.

They dont share any blame, Rice hit her, the NFL didnt.

But as I said before, if the NFL is proven to have buried the video then they havew their own mess to clean.

She did not set women back a few decades. She is the victim here. She should not feel embarrassed. She is a victim of domestic abuse.

[Guest]

I think it's the fact that she claimed to be partly responsible that G2 is talking about. I suppose she weighed things in the balance and figured she'd rather hubby had a job than not.

[WestCoastRunner]

I think it's the fact that she claimed to be partly responsible that G2 is talking about. I suppose she weighed things in the balance and figured she'd rather hubby had a job than not.

It is far more complex than that. Of course she will say she is partly responsible. Do you think she wants to be beaten to death? Judging by the actions in that elevator, he could easily end her life with a few punches to the head.

[Guest]

Well, if you say so. I have to say, I got a different impression of her priorities when I heard her on the radio.

But I've never been abused by a spouse, so I'm no expert.

[Boges]

It is far more complex than that. Of course she will say she is partly responsible. Do you think she wants to be beaten to death? Judging by the actions in that elevator, he could easily end her life with a few punches to the head.

It's weird. You're accusing people of not knowing what's going on. But it appears you're assuming a lot.

It seems it's a proven fact she's a beaten down wife. We don't have evidence of that.

People on both sides are making wild accusations. It seems the court of public opinion is claiming more expertise than an actual court of law.

Edited September 11, 2014 by Boges

[Boges]

Even if you think the prosecutor got this case wrong. Ray Rice never stood a chance of serving time in jail.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/10/6133763/prosecutor-ray-rice-jail-trial-assault

McClain's said Rice was never going to face jail time no matter the outcome of the verdict. Instead, Rice faced either a pre-trial intervention or probation. Given the choice to drag the matter out over the course of several months or wrap it up ahead of time with a PTI, McClain said the prosecution decided to forgo the trial for the sake of Janay Rice.

"It's not fair to the victim to put her through that when that was the difference," said McClain.

McClain also noted Rice would have been able to clear the assault from his permanent record even if probation was given, which would have likely been set at two years. The case was thrust back into the national spotlight when TMZ released elevator video of the assault. How TMZ obtained the video remains unclear, but McClain said he does not think a crime was committed. According to the report, it appears a former employee of the casino leaked the video. If that doesn't prove to be the case, there could be consequences.

[Black Dog]

Interesting-looking book.

[Boges]

• What does it mean that our society has transmuted the intuitive physical joys of childhood—run, leap, throw, tackle—into a billion-dollar industry?

• How did a sport that causes brain damage become the leading signifier of our institutions of higher learning?

• Does our addiction to football foster a tolerance for violence, greed, racism, and homophobia?

There has never been a book that exposes the dark underside of America’s favorite game with such searing candor.

Other than the line about higher learning, the same could be said about hockey. Quite frankly the way the NHL does it is worse. Taking 14-year-olds from their homes, making them "pros" but not guaranteeing them any higher education at all.

[Black Dog]

Other than the line about higher learning, the same could be said about hockey. Quite frankly the way the NHL does it is worse. Taking 14-year-olds from their homes, making them "pros" but not guaranteeing them any higher education at all.

Yeah junior hockey is indeed an exploitative, horribly flawed system. But it's nowhere near the big business that college football is.

[Boges]

Yeah junior hockey is indeed an exploitative, horribly flawed system. But it's nowhere near the big business that college football is.

Junior hockey doesn't draw 100,000 people to games and up until recently didn't have a national TV deals.

[guyser]

Other than the line about higher learning, the same could be said about hockey. Quite frankly the way the NHL does it is worse. Taking 14-year-olds from their homes, making them "pros" but not guaranteeing them any higher education at all.

Very rare for any 14 yr old to be taken from his home by any CHL club. The prospect has to be deemed 'considerable' , apply to the league to allow him to play.

And on top of that, each player gets 1 year paid tuition and books for every year he competes in the CHL.

[guyser]

Yeah junior hockey is indeed an exploitative, horribly flawed system. But it's nowhere near the big business that college football is.

Its not perfect but horribly flawed? I wouldnt agree.

They are billeted w good people and fed well, they are paid (something at least) they have extremely rigid school expectations including weekly follow ups with Principals and teachers to chart progress. Any missed days are immediately reported to the club, they get 1 yr tuition+books for each year they are in the game at that level.

[Boges]

And high-profile college football players get full scholarships.

[guyser]

And high-profile college football players get full scholarships.

With little or no attendance.....at most major colleges.

Some do enforce attendance etc, but thats rare.

[Black Dog]

Ok so the NFL is just trolling us now.

After days of intense scrutiny regarding the team’s handling of the Ray Rice situation, the Baltimore Ravens will return to football tonight as they take on the Pittsburgh Steelers. And to kick off the first “Thursday Night Football” game on CBS, the network will air a new theme song from ... Rihanna, the beloved pop singer who was a very public victim of domestic violence at the hands of her then-boyfriend Chris Brown in 2009.

[Boges]

With little or no attendance.....at most major colleges.

Some do enforce attendance etc, but thats rare.

The ones that are just using college as a feeder league for the pros don't. But their goal is to make it to the pros. And they generate money for the school to be used for other students.

There are many football players that have no prospect at the pros that use football as a tool for education. Same with hockey, lacrosse, volleyball, soccer, baseball, basketball players etc etc etc.

[Boges]

Ok so the NFL is just trolling us now.

I thought that was cute. If people are outraged at Janay Palmer for defending Rice, Rihanna should get booed mercilessly.

Edited September 11, 2014 by Boges

[guyser]

The ones that are just using college as a feeder league for the pros don't. But their goal is to make it to the pros. And they generate money for the school to be used for other students.

No doubt.

There are many football players that have no prospect at the pros that use football as a tool for education.

No doubt.

Same with hockey, lacrosse, volleyball, soccer, baseball, basketball players etc etc etc.

Not from my understanding.

Most of those have standards that have to be met, especially since they dont generate revenue