Football Penalties

[Boges]

No doubt.

No doubt.

Not from my understanding.

Most of those have standards that have to be met, especially since they dont generate revenue

The point is. The ones that don't go to class are going to the pros and make money for the school.

The big problem is that there may not be protection for a student if they get hurt. Then the Scholarship is gone and they have medical bills. It's a huge gamble.

[guyser]

The point is. The ones that don't go to class are going to the pros and make money for the school.

Very very few ever make it.

The big problem is that there may not be protection for a student if they get hurt. Then the Scholarship is gone and they have medical bills. It's a huge gamble.

The scholarship has to be renewed every year.

The rules for doing so are strict, and in essence they have to spell it out for you and cannot revoke a scholarship during the school year.

But yes, medical bills can sink an athlete and this is one huge injustice that speaks ill of the college sports and the NCAA.

[Mighty AC]

I just heard on the radio that the AP is reporting that the video was delivered to the NFL offices . . . IN APRIL!!!

Roger Goddell is so bleeped.

I think he may have to resign over this one. For the same reasons the NFL had to come down on Rice. Edited September 12, 2014 by Mighty AC

[bush_cheney2004]

Rice may get a break from all the attention now that NFL superstar Adrian Peterson will be charged for taking a switch to his 4 year-old son.

[Shady]

This whole Ray Rice situation is absurd. Goddell has no reason to resign. The NFL is a private business, with absolutely no power, nor should it, to enforce law. The real outrage should be directed at the Atlanta police department and the district attorney that didn't charge Ray Rice. Not at the NFL over how many games it should have suspended him. If somebody punches me in an elevator, do I expect his employer to enforce a penalty, or the actual justice system? The answer should be obvious. Case closed.

[Boges]

This whole Ray Rice situation is absurd. Goddell has no reason to resign. The NFL is a private business, with absolutely no power, nor should it, to enforce law. The real outrage should be directed at the Atlanta police department and the district attorney that didn't charge Ray Rice. Not at the NFL over how many games it should have suspended him. If somebody punches me in an elevator, do I expect his employer to enforce a penalty, or the actual justice system? The answer should be obvious. Case closed.

Atlantic City.

I posted a story earlier in the thread that indicated the worst penalty Rice could have received is a probation.

[Shady]

Atlantic City.

I posted a story earlier in the thread that indicated the worst penalty Rice could have received is a probation.

Sorry Atlantic City. If the story you posted is true, what does that have to do with the NFL?

[Bob Macadoo]

This whole Ray Rice situation is absurd. Goddell has no reason to resign. The NFL is a private business, with absolutely no power, nor should it, to enforce law. The real outrage should be directed at the Atlanta police department and the district attorney that didn't charge Ray Rice. Not at the NFL over how many games it should have suspended him. If somebody punches me in an elevator, do I expect his employer to enforce a penalty, or the actual justice system? The answer should be obvious. Case closed.

I don't expect him to enforce the law but if I make a feigned interest in image & character in a personality driven business I expect my CEO to ensure my product is not tainted in the view of my customers. If it is I expect my CEO to rectify it. If 2 games doesn't do it then rectify it, Ray Rice isn't owed a living by the NFL.

I do however agree that assault doesn't seem to be as big an image issue as pot to the NFL. (eg. Josh Gordon suspension for 2nd hand pot)

[Bob Macadoo]

Let's see how the NFL sees what its image should be with Adrian Peterson. He only gave his boy a deserved "whooping" with a switch.....no big well....whoop. Unless you see the photos.....or god forbid a video was produced.

<sarcasm>2 games is about right I figure </sarcasm>

[Big Guy]

Let's see how the NFL sees what its image should be with Adrian Peterson. He only gave his boy a deserved "whooping" with a switch.....no big well....whoop. Unless you see the photos.....or god forbid a video was produced.

<sarcasm>2 games is about right I figure </sarcasm>

Again a potential case of professional sports being placed into a different category of business by those with an agenda. Anybody surprised that Terry O'Neill, the president of the National Organization for Women, has called for NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to resign?

Now Adrian Peterson is in the spotlight. What additional penalty will the NFL have to impose to satiate those barking at the shield?

If a teacher is found driving drunk, should he/she be fired? MADD thinks so but has not been able to convince too many people. What kind of penalty should the school board apply in addition to that of the courts?

How about doctors or lawyers who are convicted of spousal abuse? Or for assault?

Should the guy picking up your garbage be suspended for a month is he had been convicted of assault?

I still maintain that we have a court system whose role is to make decisions of guilt and/or innocence and apply the appropriate penalty. When the media and public get into the sentencing business then allow the vocal special interest groups far too much power to push their own agenda.

Edited September 13, 2014 by Big Guy

[Shady]

Again a potential case of professional sports being placed into a different category of business by those with an agenda. Anybody surprised that Terry O'Neill, the president of the National Organization for Women, has called for NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to resign?

Now Adrian Peterson is in the spotlight. What additional penalty will the NFL have to impose to satiate those barking at the shield?

If a teacher is found driving drunk, should he/she be fired? MADD thinks so but has not been able to convince too many people. What kind of penalty should the school board apply in addition to that of the courts?

How about doctors or lawyers who are convicted of spousal abuse? Or for assault?

Should the guy picking up your garbage be suspended for a month is he had been convicted of assault?

I still maintain that we have a court system whose role is to make decisions of guilt and/or innocence and apply the appropriate penalty. When the media and public get into the sentencing business then allow the vocal special interest groups far too much power to push their own agenda.

Very well said.

[Boges]

I don't expect him to enforce the law but if I make a feigned interest in image & character in a personality driven business I expect my CEO to ensure my product is not tainted in the view of my customers. If it is I expect my CEO to rectify it. If 2 games doesn't do it then rectify it, Ray Rice isn't owed a living by the NFL.

I do however agree that assault doesn't seem to be as big an image issue as pot to the NFL. (eg. Josh Gordon suspension for 2nd hand pot)

That's been pretty much Goddell's MO up until this instance.

But really there hasn't been any league policy on domestic assault. Many players have been arrested for it without penalty.

In the wake of the outrage over the 2 game penalty the league said, aight we'll make it 6. Is that OK? I guess not because once a video that only showed what Rice had already plead guilty to doing came out, he got a year minimum. It seems hap hazard. And shows bad leadership from a Commish that had been known for being tough and decisive.

As for Josh Gordon, the league just voted with the Union on an amended drug policy. Gordon's suspension has been reduced to 10 games (keep in mind, he's a repeat offender) Many players who were given 4 game suspension have already had their suspensions lifted.

I guess the league listened to the criticism afterall.

[WestCoastRunner]

I still maintain that we have a court system whose role is to make decisions of guilt and/or innocence and apply the appropriate penalty. When the media and public get into the sentencing business then allow the vocal special interest groups far too much power to push their own agenda.

When we can draw attention to domestic abuse, it benefits everyone.

• On average, every six days a woman in Canada is killed by her intimate partner. In 2011, from the 89 police reported spousal homicides, 76 of the victims (over 85%) were women.
• On any given day in Canada, more than 3,300 women (along with their 3,000 children) are forced to sleep in an emergency shelter to escape domestic violence. Every night, about 200 women are turned away because the shelters are full.

This is of course not isolated to the NFL, but when we can draw attention to this issue, is it such a bad thing? Why should women have to take the elevator to avoid abuse?

[Big Guy]

When we can draw attention to domestic abuse, it benefits everyone.

• On average, every six days a woman in Canada is killed by her intimate partner. In 2011, from the 89 police reported spousal homicides, 76 of the victims (over 85%) were women.
• On any given day in Canada, more than 3,300 women (along with their 3,000 children) are forced to sleep in an emergency shelter to escape domestic violence. Every night, about 200 women are turned away because the shelters are full.

This is of course not isolated to the NFL, but when we can draw attention to this issue, is it such a bad thing? Why should women have to take the elevator to avoid abuse?

I have no doubt that you and many others feel that this particular issue is very important and good for you. Some feel that it is worth hijacking an event or using any transgression to promote an "important" cause. I do not and am getting tired of being "made aware" of something that somebody else feels that I should be made aware of.

When we can draw attention to ______________, it benefits everyone. Anybody fill in the blank.

Why is your (not referring to you specifically but to anyone promoting their issue) issue more important than my issue? Or any other issue?

Fairly recently, an idea became popular of how to "promote awareness". Wear a ribbon that identifies your issue. There are currently 55 different officially registered coloured ribbons to be worn which represent 55 different important “issues” - the most important issue for the individual wearing that ribbon. I suspect that it is kind of difficult wearing all 55 to elicit “awareness” of every "very important" issue so you would have to choose carefully. The same ribbon sometimes represents up to 20 different issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awareness_ribbons

So I guess the Peterson thing is "child abuse" which may morph into "custody battles". What about pedophilia, world hunger, asbestos poisoning, racial discrimination, cancer (and 250 other diseases), law and order, elder abuse and ...

I think it is great that someone thinks something is very important and is prepared to support it but I am getting very tired of being told what is important and what I should support. Yes, spousal abuse is not a good thing. Yes, there are statistics that show that often people are not very nice to their spouses. I can give you thousands of "pertinent statistics" about thousands of things that are not nice.

I envy your enthusiasm. There are a few issues that I donate to and support because they effect me and my family. I really do not need anybody telling me that I should now support their issues.

The point that I was trying to make is that there are so many special interest groups out there that any event, significant or not, can and is hijacked by somebody with an agenda to satisfy their own agenda. I am just getting tired of it.

And I believed before this Price thing and still believe that women should not have to take the elevator to avoid abuse.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Big Guy

[Big Guy]

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Edited September 14, 2014 by Big Guy

[WestCoastRunner]

I have no doubt that you and many others feel that this particular issue is very important and good for you. Some feel that it is worth hijacking an event or using any transgression to promote an "important" cause. I do not and am getting tired of being "made aware" of something that somebody else feels that I should be made aware of.

When we can draw attention to ______________, it benefits everyone. Anybody fill in the blank.

Why is your (not referring to you specifically but to anyone promoting their issue) issue more important than my issue? Or any other issue?

Fairly recently, an idea became popular of how to "promote awareness". Wear a ribbon that identifies your issue. There are currently 55 different officially registered coloured ribbons to be worn which represent 55 different important “issues” - the most important issue for the individual wearing that ribbon. I suspect that it is kind of difficult wearing all 55 to elicit “awareness” of every "very important" issue so you would have to choose carefully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awareness_ribbons

So I guess the Peterson thing is "child abuse" which may morph into "custody battles". What about pedophilia, world hunger, asbestos poisoning, racial discrimination, cancer (and 250 other diseases), law and order, elder abuse and ...

I think it is great that someone thinks something is very important and is prepared to support it but I am getting very tired of being told what is important and what I should support. Yes, spousal abuse is not a good thing. Yes, there are statistics that show that often people are not very nice to their spouses. I can give you thousands of "pertinent statistics" about thousands of things that are not nice.

I envy your enthusiasm. There are a few issues that I donate to and support because they effect me and my family. I really do not need anybody telling me that I should now support their issues.

The point that I was trying to make is that there are so many special interest groups out there that any event, significant or not, can and is hijacked by somebody with an agenda to satisfy their own agenda. I am just getting tired of it.

And I believed before this Price thing and still believe that women should not have to take the elevator to avoid abuse.

I don't understand how violent domestic issues are hijacking anyone's issues. Seriously???

I really hate your 'fill in the blank' posts as well.

Why would you think domestic violent issues are less important than anything else?

[Big Guy]

I don't understand how violent domestic issues are hijacking anyone's issues. Seriously???

I really hate your 'fill in the blank' posts as well.

Why would you think domestic violent issues are less important than anything else?

Why would you think that domestic violence issues are more important than anything else?

[Bob Macadoo]

If a teacher is found driving drunk, should he/she be fired? MADD thinks so but has not been able to convince too many people. What kind of penalty should the school board apply in addition to that of the courts?

How about doctors or lawyers who are convicted of spousal abuse? Or for assault?

Should the guy picking up your garbage be suspended for a month is he had been convicted of assault?

I notice how you passed over the post before this that directly explained why......butbplease rant.....Shady's getting a boner.

I notice you skipped over the previous post which explained the opposing position....but please rant on...Shady's getting a hard-on. Edited September 14, 2014 by Bob Macadoo

[bush_cheney2004]

The NFL is a multi-billion dollar business that will act to protects its brand and market from real and perceived threats. Big fat broadcast television and cable/satellite contracts expose the NFL to far more interests and agendas. Public financing for NFL stadiums brings far more public/political pressure to bear on the league and player conduct.

[WestCoastRunner]

The NFL is a multi-billion dollar business that will act to protects its brand and market from real and perceived threats. Big fat broadcast television and cable/satellite contracts expose the NFL to far more interests and agendas. Public financing for NFL stadiums brings far more public/political pressure to bear on the league and player conduct.

What is your point BC? We all get that.

[Big Guy]

I don't understand how violent domestic issues are hijacking anyone's issues. Seriously???

I really hate your 'fill in the blank' posts as well.

Why would you think domestic violent issues are less important than anything else?

Thank you for your questions. In my view, domestic violence, especially spousal violence, is just one small part of violence issues. For me, there is no difference if a 250 lb guy knocks out a 120 lb girlfriend or wife or son or daughter or father or mother or stranger. The man is guilty of assault and is probably a bully and a coward. The courts should deal with him as to guilt or innocence and sentencing. He should be penalized once and allowed to rehabilitate to show the error of his ways.

I am sorry you hate the "fill in the blank" posts. My point is that everybody has their own issue that they think is more important than others.

What makes one issue more important than another? I submit it is a personal and subjective decision made by every individual. I resent when someone tells me that their issue is more important than my issue.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Big Guy

[bush_cheney2004]

What is your point BC? We all get that.

Clearly some don't.....Canada does not have a NFL franchise last time I checked.

[Boges]

Thank you for your questions. In my view, domestic violence, especially spousal violence, is just one small part of violence issues. For me, there is no difference if a 250 lb guy knocks out a 120 lb girlfriend or wife or son or daughter or father or mother or stranger. The man is guilty of assault and is probably a bully and a coward. The courts should deal with him as to guilt or innocence and sentencing. He should be penalized once and allowed to rehabilitate to show the error of his ways.

I am sorry you hate the "fill in the blank" posts. My point is that everybody has their own issue that they think is more important than others.

What makes one issue more important than another? I submit it is a personal and subjective decision made by every individual. I resent when someone tells me that their issue is more important than my issue.

I think the difference with domestic violence is that it's perpetrated by people that say they love each other. There are social pressures to make it work sometimes. Very complicated.

As with child abuse, I was seeing Charles Barkley defend AP saying in the south that's how things are done.

Anyone see the Russel Peters skit about cultures beating their kids? It's what happens. Whether white liberals like it or not.

Edited September 15, 2014 by Boges

[Mighty AC]

Anyone see the Russel Peters skit about cultures beating their kids? It's what happens. Whether white liberals like it or not.

Continuous, incremental improvement and advancement. It's what happens. Whether old, white conservatives like it or not.

[Boges]

Continuous, incremental improvement and advancement. It's what happens. Whether old, white conservatives like it or not.

We're not talking about old white conservatives. We're talking about minorities and their cultural practices.

But nice of you to revert to that trope to try and make a point.