Malaysian Airliner Reportedly Shot Down in east Ukraine

[Derek 2.0]

How much does it change things as far as Canada is concerned that 1 Canadians was reportedly on the plane that was shot down?

I think it should make our government quite PO'd, and it needs to react. But react how?

Other countries with victims will be in a similar situation. This changes the game in terms of how other countries are involved in this conflict.

Having an international flight shot down is an attack on international security (which includes us), and the security of Canadians traveling abroad. Any one of us could have been on that plane.

What would be your proposed resolution, and what are the boundaries of which you would push to see said endgame come to fruition?

[bush_cheney2004]

Protocols already exist for such an incident. Admit responsibility for military action against the civilian airliner and compensate victims per international standards and legal proceedings. The U.S. paid about $131,000,000 to settle all claims for the shoot down of Iran Air 655 in 1988.

[Derek 2.0]

Protocols already exist for such an incident. Admit responsibility for military action against the civilian airliner and compensate victims per international standards and legal proceedings.

Who is to admit responsibility? As far as I know, the Russians, the Ukrainians and the Ukrainian separatists have all denied responsibility…….and the crash scene, aside from being within a war zone, has long since be contaminated.

[bush_cheney2004]

Who is to admit responsibility? As far as I know, the Russians, the Ukrainians and the Ukrainian separatists have all denied responsibility…….and the crash scene, aside from being within a war zone, has long since be contaminated.

Beats me, but paying to settle is a lot cheaper than a regional war or other escalation. Sounds like the attending GRU officers knew it was a screw up once the engaged target was confirmed as a civilian airliner. Oooops !

[bush_cheney2004]

Looks like airline traffic has finally heeded warnings about Ukraine overflights:

http://www.flightradar24.com/48.05,9.8/4

Edited July 18, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

I guess we found the missing MH370 flight.

Nice job by these rebels. They took the flight recorders. That seems a bit odd. Someone is being thorough.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-17-recording-devices-pro-russia-ukraine-rebels/

Separatist rebels who control the area where the plane went down said Friday they had recovered "most" of the plane's black boxes and were considering what to do with them.

Several black boxes? Typically I only know of two.

[Wilber]

There are plenty of black boxes but the two in question are orange. Who knows if they actually know what they have found. There is talk that his aircraft was diverting for weather at the time and not on its planned track. This happened so close to the Russian border it is hard to believe their military wouldn't have radar tapes of the incident.

[iolo]

Since both the EU and the Russian puppets are highly skilled in faking evidence, does anyone believe we will ever do other than believe what our prejudices tell us?

[Big Guy]

With the Israeli invasion of Gaza, the number if innocents killed in Gaza will soon match and overtake the number of innocents killed in the plane tragedy. At least we know how many died in the plane crash.

[Big Guy]

Canadian Identified;

http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2014/07/18/ajax-man-dies-in-ukraine-plane-crash

[GostHacked]

There are plenty of black boxes but the two in question are orange. Who knows if they actually know what they have found. There is talk that his aircraft was diverting for weather at the time and not on its planned track. This happened so close to the Russian border it is hard to believe their military wouldn't have radar tapes of the incident.

What about them contacting a tower? Or other aircraft.... Anyways, I do not trust what is being told so far about this incident.

[-TSS-]

Ukraine categorically rejects the possibility that the rebels could have stolen missiles from the Ukraine army and as the rebels themselves were not known for having missiles capable of this act there is only one conclusion.

[Black Dog]

Ukraine categorically rejects the possibility that the rebels could have stolen missiles from the Ukraine army and as the rebels themselves were not known for having missiles capable of this act there is only one conclusion.

It was the Russians?

[guyser]

Hard to beleive but there is a family that has lost members of same on BOTH Malaysian flights. Im guessing they dont book anymore thru them.

[Wilber]

What about them contacting a tower? Or other aircraft.... Anyways, I do not trust what is being told so far about this incident.

They would have been in contact with a control center. I don't know what kind of radar their ATC uses but western centers use what is called SSR (Secondary surveillance radar) which works with the aircraft's transponder. It wouldn't pick up a missle but military radar would. If it was a SAM they wouldn't know what hit them and it would be unlikely they could call anyone.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Wilber

[The_Squid]

Ukraine categorically rejects the possibility that the rebels could have stolen missiles from the Ukraine army and as the rebels themselves were not known for having missiles capable of this act there is only one conclusion.

And yet the rebels showed pictures of surface to air BUK missiles taken from a military base earlier in the conflict.

The conspiracy nuts have come out of the woodwork very soon on this topic I see... There is no need to wonder about some EU or US conspiracy on this one.

It isn't that hard to figure out what happened... the hardest part about this is figuring out whether it was Russia or Ukraine rebels, or a mix....?

Edited July 18, 2014 by The_Squid

[Black Dog]

And yet the rebels showed pictures of surface to air BUK missiles taken from a military base earlier in the conflict.

The conspiracy nuts have come out of the woodwork very soon on this topic I see... There is no need to wonder about some EU or US conspiracy on this one.

It isn't that hard to figure out what happened... the hardest part about this is figuring out whether it was Russia or Ukraine rebels, or a mix....?

All of the above, I epxpect.

[overthere]

There was bad weather to the southeast of where the 298 were eventually murdered. It is not at all unusual for flights to deviate from their flight plan to avoid weather.

Russia is run by human scum.

[GostHacked]

So, if it was hit by a missile @30,000 feet, would the debris not be spread over several kilometers?

[Topaz]

I'm beginning to believe that the other Malaysian airliner was also shot down, by accident over, the Pacific/ Indian Ocean and covered up.

[Wilber]

So, if it was hit by a missile @30,000 feet, would the debris not be spread over several kilometers?

Maybe. Depends on whether it came apart at altitude.

[Black Dog]

I'm beginning to believe that the other Malaysian airliner was also shot down, by accident over, the Pacific/ Indian Ocean and covered up.

By whom?

[Black Dog]

So, if it was hit by a missile @30,000 feet, would the debris not be spread over several kilometers?

It is.

[On Guard for Thee]

So, if it was hit by a missile @30,000 feet, would the debris not be spread over several kilometers?

It did come apart in the air and the bits are scattered over 5-6 km's according to a freelance American reporter who has walked the sight.

They also have a military radar trace and they have some footage of a BUK in the vicinity with 1 of it's 4 missiles missing. If they can get hold of that BUK they can match the radar trace to it which would at least prove it was the offending unit. That should go some way to indicating who pulled the trigger. There is also an intercepted phone conversation, apparently between rebel leaders that indicate they just got a bit trigger happy before realizing what they had in their sights.

[Signals.Cpl]

I'm beginning to believe that the other Malaysian airliner was also shot down, by accident over, the Pacific/ Indian Ocean and covered up.

Just because one plane was shot down does not necessarily mean that every other unexplained disappearance is a shoot down as well. What evidence exists to support that theory apart from the incident in Ukraine.