kidnapped Israeli teens bodies found

[Argus]

Tell us more about what can and cannot happen, so we can make decisions based on your ability to see into the future.

You don't need to look into the future. You only need to look at how Hamas has ruled in Gaza - with an iron fist, including torture and extra-judicial executions of anyone who opposes them.

[Rue]

Israelis receive massive amount of money and military aid from the US, turn around and make their own even more sophisticated weapons, try them on living, breathing Palestinians to see how effectively they can kill men, women, and children, destroy homes, hospitals, schools, and mosques, then go off to the global arms market to sell their most recent weapons to the best (including many Arab) buyers, as they dispatch Elie Wiesel to buy ads in newspapers in US and Europe to tell the world how Palestinians are hiding behind their own children and are child killers--while Obama and Hillary Clinton say Israel has every right to defend itself and the US Congress sends even more money and ammunition to "the only democracy in the Middle East," as BBC cites Israeli army spokesman that not that many people have been killed in Gaza anyway, while the Guardian publishes passionate articles warning that those who are protesting in Europe against any of these are antisemites--as the Israeli arms manufacturers go back to their bunkers to make even more sophisticated weapons to try them on Palestinians in about a couple of years from now, so that Sam Harris the American philosopher and chief executive of "Project Reason" can write another learned essay from his moral philosophical vantage point arguing "Why he cannot oppose Israel!"--it all kind of makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Link

How Israel’s arms manufacturers won the Gaza war

Iron Dome may have been the star performer during Operation Protective Edge, but the big international sellers may be the Tamuz missile and the Windbreaker system.

Right. In your world Iran, North Korea, Russia, who sell rockets and other weapons to Hamas, well they just get ignored right?

As well, US military aid to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Turkey, do we hear a peep from you on that?

do we hear a peep on you who arms ISIS that is slaughtering Muslims and non Muslims as we speak.

Not a peep. In your world, you only notice if the US has a military alliance with Israel-not any other alliance.

You also deliberately misrepresent.

The weapons Israel uses on the ground in Gaza do not necessarily come from the US. Instead of spewing out on the go fabricated rhetoric go find out where the 3 billion in military aid to Israel went. It went to the dome missile project and other missile projects that shoot rockets down.

The weapons Israel uses on the ground in hand to hand combat they manufacture themselves.

There are tanks and armoured vehicles that have joint US military use.

interesting how in your world Israel has nothing better to do then develop weapons. Iran, Russia, China North Korea, ISIS, Al Quaida, Hamas, Fatah, France, Britain, Germany, Belgium, all the other military suppliers, and in particular those to Arab countries and Muslim terrorist groups, not a peep from you.

Its why you lack any credibility. Your agenda is to only come on the board to rag israel. You will not acknowledge the very thing you criticize Israel for Hamas and Hezbollah and Isis are doing for Iran, North Korea, Russia.

What makes you even more of a blow-hard is that you don't seem to notice that the top industry of all the permanent members of the UN security council is military weapons manufacturing and its the no.1 activity of most of the NATO and many East European nations and is a major source of industry in Brazil, and is the no.1 industry in Sweden.

No in your world, we only talk military weapons being used or manufactured by Israel.

Anything else you care to ignore?

[jacee]

My vision?

...

It is a hope that Palestinians can find a second state and live peacefully side by side Israel and Joddan.

A Palestinian state consisting of the West Bank and Gaza?

It is a hope that Palestinians shed themselves of Muslim extremists who hate Jews and Hordanians and condone terrorists.

There are extremists on both sides.

It is a hope Palestinians accept that a Jewish state is a reality,

If they form their own state, they are accepting the existence of Israel. What Israel chooses to call itself is irrelevant.

a Jordanian state is a reality

??

and that Palestinians can achieve a stable, safe country living peacefully in an economuic free trade market with Israel and Jordan and an ability to expedite travel through each state and access to each other's airports and ports.

Agreed.

It would require disarming of terrorists,

... within the recognition that a Palestinian state has a right to its own military defence

recognizing a Jewish state

What Israel chooses to be and call itself is irrelevant.

and a comprehensive withdrawal of Jewish settlers from many areas on the West Bank that now exist.

Yes.

That is not possible at this time. Israel can not return to 67 borders as long as terrorists devoted to destroying it exist.

I believe that the dream of taking back Israel imposed on Palestinians by Hamas and the PA enslaves them and keeps them down.

I hope one day they can move past where they are at.

And I hope one day Israel will stop attempting to fulfill the fantasy of 'from the sea to the river'.

I'm amazed that we agree on quite a bit.

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[Big Guy]

Looks like there are some people in the USA and Canada are prepared to take action against Israeli actions in Gaza:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/15/israel-ship-protest.html

[Argus]

Looks like there are some people in the USA and Canada are prepared to take action against Israeli actions in Gaza:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/15/israel-ship-protest.html

The usual collection of expatriate Muslims and Jew haters. Big shrug. They won't be blocking anything, just making noise.

[Big Guy]

An interesting story;

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/08/16/dutchman_returns_holocaust_medal_after_family_killed_in_gaza.html

[marcus]

The usual collection of expatriate Muslims and Jew haters. Big shrug. They won't be blocking anything, just making noise.

It worked. The Israeli ship that has a hand in the illegal settlements did not dock. Time for you to start accepting that the peaceful movements, like bds and blockade around the world are gaining momentum and are working.

Edited August 17, 2014 by marcus

[marcus]

An interesting story;

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/08/16/dutchman_returns_holocaust_medal_after_family_killed_in_gaza.html

This is a huge response and a symbol of what the Zionist movement has become:

Dutchman returns Holocaust medal after family killed in Gaza

Henk Zanoli, 91, whose father died in a Nazi camp, went to the Israeli Embassy in The Hague and returned a medal he received honouring him as one of the Righteous Among the Nations

Edited August 17, 2014 by marcus

[Argus]

It worked. The Israeli ship that has a hand in the illegal settlements did not dock. Time for you to start accepting that the peaceful movements, like bds and blockade around the world are gaining momentum and are working.

The ship didn't arrive. It will arrive next week. Big shrug. Big victory for the Jew haters. LOL

[Black Dog]

And just like that, it's over.

The war in Gaza ended on Tuesday after Israel and the Palestinians agreed to halt fighting indefinitely, putting an end to seven weeks of catastrophic loss of life and destruction, but on terms which are likely to leave many on both sides of the conflict wondering what was achieved.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad – the main militant groups in Gaza – the Palestinian Authority and Israel agreed on an open-ended ceasefire beginning at 7pm on Tuesday evening, bringing relief to civilians on both sides of the border. The Israeli army said in a statement on Wednesday that there had been no reports of violence since the ceasefire began.

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But the terms of the deal – brokered by the Egyptian government, and reached on the 50th day of the conflict – appeared to be almost identical to those agreed at the end of the previous war 21 months ago. Israel will open crossings on its border to allow humanitarian aid and construction materials to enter Gaza, and will extend the permitted fishing zone to six miles off the coast of Gaza. The Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt is also to be opened.

So much for all the big talk from some here about how this time, Israel was for sure going to finish the job.

Another view: Netanyahu saw his chance to run away from Gaza, and he took it

Netanyahu's conduct during the 50 days of fighting in Gaza highlighted the gap between his statements and promises and the reality. The prime minister, who was the most strident in his statement against Hamas, ended the confrontation with the organization in the weakest position. All he wanted was to achieve a cease-fire at just about any price. When the opportunity came, he simply grabbed it and ran.

The Egyptian cease-fire proposal that Israel accepted on Tuesday did not deliver a single achievement. The only thing that the prime minister's spokesmen could boast about on Tuesday was the denial of achievements to Hamas, such as the dissolution of its demands for a sea port, an airport and salary payments. But all those demands will be raised during the negotiations with Hamas that will resume in Cairo next week.

In return for unlimited quiet, Israel agreed to immediately open the border crossings with Gaza to humanitarian aid and to extend the fishing zone to a distance of six nautical miles. Israel also agreed to the immediate entry of construction materials for the rebuilding of Gaza, without any guarantee from either Egypt or Hamas for the establishment of a monitoring mechanism to ensure that the cement and concrete is not used for the rehabilitation of the tunnels project.

The Egyptian proposal didn't include any statement, not even a hint, regarding Israel's security demands. There was nothing about the demilitarization of the strip, the re-arming or the issue of the tunnels. When reading the thin Egyptian document to which Benjamin Netanyahu agreed, John Kerry's draft – which was rejected by the cabinet with a disdain that bordered on humiliation of the secretary of state – suddenly looks like the proposal of the year.

[Rue]

Not even an hour old and Black Dog is quoting anti Israel spins.

Black Dog the article you will now hide behind is so bloody trite its past pathetic and for you to post it just once again

shows your anti Israel agenda. hHy Ho Hey Ho Israel has got to go. Right Black Dog got it.

Hamas gets half of Gaza wiped out and assures the death of over 2,000 civilians and you think you can come on this forum

now and post some spin some spin that suits your agenda?

Talk about smug and trite.

Hamas chose kidnappings and rockets and the needless death of their civilians, for what?

Zip over your head..

The very spin you use in fact proves that anything Hamas says it as achieved did not require its violence to obtain.

Zip zam zoom. Read what you quoted..

Edited August 27, 2014 by Rue

[Black Dog]

Not even an hour old and the security experts are spinning Israel"lost".

Can't even go an hour without the need to lecture Israel.

Heaven forbid people analyse current events as they happen.

For your sake, here's an analysis that should fit your preconceptions better.

Black Dogyour analysis is so bloody trite its past pathetic.

It's not my analysis. It's from Haaretz, one of Israel's leading newspapers.

Hamas gets half of Gaza wiped out and assures the death of over 2,000 civilians and you think you can come on this forum

now and spin some anti Israel analysis? Really.

Talk about smug and trite.

It's not my analysis. It's from Haaretz, one of Israel's leading newspapers.

Bottom line-anything Hamas has asked or they were already offered.

Bottom line-anything Hamas has now asked for thy could have obtained through negotiations.

Hamas chose kidnappings and rockets.

They had a tantrum that cost them half of Gaza and the deaths of their own citizens and you

think you can now come on this board and justify what they did with a spin from someone who is

anti Israel/

Do you have any proof the author of that Haaretz piece is anti-Israel? Or is it simply that any criticism whatsoever of Israel is ipso facto anti-Israel?

Edited August 27, 2014 by Black Dog

[Hal 9000]

Israel has wanted to end it for quite some time, it was Hamas that kept it going longer than necessary.

[Keepitsimple]

Israel wanted to destroy the tunnels and the caches of rockets. Done. Nothing to brag about. Nothing to be proud of. Just something that had to be done.

Funny thing about reporting: throughout the conflict, nothing has been said about all the wounded children that were taken to Israeli hospitals for care. The IDF even opened a field hospital to treat the wounded. Those terrible Jews!

Link: http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/18745/idf-opens-field-hospital-treat-wounded-palestinians/#JeIhMqcPHjKH6uCW.97

Edited August 28, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[eyeball]

Israel wanted to destroy the tunnels and the caches of rockets. Done. Nothing to brag about. Nothing to be proud of. Just something that had to be done.

Funny thing about reporting: throughout the conflict, nothing has been said about all the wounded children that were taken to Israeli hospitals for care. The IDF even opened a field hospital to treat the wounded.

Good for them.

Those terrible Jews!

They do seem to have their moments at times, just Like anyone else I suppose.

[jbg]

Israel wanted to destroy the tunnels and the caches of rockets. Done. Nothing to brag about. Nothing to be proud of. Just something that had to be done.

Funny thing about reporting: throughout the conflict, nothing has been said about all the wounded children that were taken to Israeli hospitals for care. The IDF even opened a field hospital to treat the wounded. Those terrible Jews!

Link: http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/18745/idf-opens-field-hospital-treat-wounded-palestinians/#JeIhMqcPHjKH6uCW.97

Of course that article doesn't cover the hospitals for Jews that Hamas has set up, or Hamas' assistance at Haiti's earthquake and Phillipine's typhoon.

[jacee]

Funny thing about reporting: throughout the conflict, nothing has been said about all the wounded children that were taken to Israeli hospitals for care. The IDF even opened a field hospital to treat the wounded. Those terrible Jews!

Link: http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/18745/idf-opens-field-hospital-treat-wounded-palestinians/#JeIhMqcPHjKH6uCW.97

To treat the wounded children ... that they wounded ... and we're supposed to applaud the IDF for that?

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[jbg]

To treat the wounded children ... that they wounded ... and we're supposed to applaud the IDF for that?

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Where are the Hamas hospitals for the people they have wounded with their errant rockets?

[marcus]

Where are the Hamas hospitals for the people they have wounded with their errant rockets?

Stop trying to equate Hamas to the Israeli government. This is not a 50/50 game and anyone who has been following the region closely enough, will not fall for your asinine comparisons and narrative.

All this is, is a biennial carnage where Israel unleashes its weapons, to showcase to the potential buyers how well their weapons can kill people.

Edited September 2, 2014 by marcus

[bush_cheney2004]

Agreed...unlike Israel's government, Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.

[marcus]

Agreed...unlike Israel's government, Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.

No they're not.

[Keepitsimple]

No they're not.

Yes they are.

[jbg]

Agreed...unlike Israel's government, Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.

Hamas is the government Gazans chose in elections. If there be carnage the Gazans voted for it.

[Rue]

No they're not.

Can you get real.

Denying the obvious is pointless don't you think?

The actual armed wing of Hamas or Izz al Din Qassam Brigades, are cells of individuals who engage in terror, No one knows for sure how many cells there are. Each has their own leader and designated geographic area.

The guess is about 5.

Violence and terror against Palestinian and Israeli civilians is essential to their tactics.

Their primary tactic was and remains large-scale terrorist bombings against Israeli civilian targets, as well as small-arms attacks, improvised roadside explosives, and the launching of rockets into Israel.

The US State Dept. in accordance with section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA),

declared Hamas an international terrorist group.

At the current time Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Egypt, Israel, the EU, the UK and US define Hamas as an international terrorist organizaton.

The armed section, Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, conducting of using its civilians as pawns, beating them, placing them in direct line of fire, killing them without trial as suspected collaborators of Israel, firing upon its citizens who dared play music at a wedding shooting hundreds dead for the crime of laughing and dancing, its practice of pulling the livers and other organs out of bodies of its enemies and displaying them in public, its anti-Israeli attacks, including suicide bombings against civilian targets inside Israel all are terrorist in nature.

In fact a "Shura council" based in Damascus, Syria, and now believed to have moved to Turkey sets overall policy.

No amount of spinning and apology from you about Hamas changes the tactics that make them terrorist:

1-the deliberate use of hospitals, mosques, schools, homes, to launch missiles;

2-pursuan to 2, placing civilians in direct harm's way and using them as shields;

3-targetting civilians in Israel, specifically during the hours of the day (mornin, evening) when they are most likely to be in certain places;

4-targetting Israeli civilians with suicide bombings;

5-refusing to wear uniforms and instead disguising themselves as civilians;

6-disguising themselves as pregnant women, geriatrics, disabled;

7-using people with down's syndrome, disabilities, the extreme elderly and the pregnant to carry bombs and weapons;

8-using children as weapons (suicide bombs) and transporters of weapons;

9-engaging in the trade of child pornography, drugs, prostitution to fund their purchase of weapons;

10-using international aid money to purchase arms amd missiles;

11-beating and killing Palestinian civilians in public;

12-openly killing those deemed to be violating the Muslim religion;

13-directly assisting ISIS, Al Quaeda;

14-booby trapping rtoads, buildings, homes that injures, mutilates and kills not just Israeli soldiers but Palestinian citizens.

Yah let's pretend they are boy scouts.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Rue

[marcus]

Yes they are.

The UN has not declared Hamas a terrorist state. Not like they have with Al Qaeda, IS, Boko Harem and a few other groups.

So, you guys are all wrong.