This week in Islam

[Argus]

1 hour ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Oh look, Surrey has released their top 10 most wanted listed.  Mostly white guys gone bad and the minority population is 52% of the total.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/surreys-most-wanted-these-10-men-are-on-rcmps-naughty-list

Yes, I see terrible crimes like dangerous driving and uttering threats and fraud. Oooooow. Tough town, Surrey.

Meanwhile, the RCMP list is full of murderers, rapists and terrorists. Are you unable to understand the difference?

[Argus]

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

We also saw a white non muslim man being charged in the deaths of 3 women, and a former white non muslim RCMP officer charged with severe child abuse. 

Care to discuss those incidents?

Why? What is it about you people on the far left that you can't even accept the evidence of your own eyes? You can't accept that wanted lists are overloaded with the products of immigration from the middle east, Asia and the Caribbean, even when you look at them. It's this incredible level of dishonest that makes it impossible to discuss societal issues with ideologues of the left.

[DogOnPorch]

They don't want discussion, Argus. They want you banned.

[WestCoastRunner]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Yes, I see terrible crimes like dangerous driving and uttering threats and fraud. Oooooow. Tough town, Surrey.

Meanwhile, the RCMP list is full of murderers, rapists and terrorists. Are you unable to understand the difference?

52% of Surrey's population is minorities, you know, not white.  And yet they can't find any murderers, rapists or terrorists to fill the top 10.  I think perhaps immigration has reduced the crime rate in Surrey, if we go by your logic.

[WestCoastRunner]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

Why? What is it about you people on the far left that you can't even accept the evidence of your own eyes? You can't accept that wanted lists are overloaded with the products of immigration from the middle east, Asia and the Caribbean, even when you look at them. It's this incredible level of dishonest that makes it impossible to discuss societal issues with ideologues of the left.

Most wanted RCMP list in BC.  http://bc.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=1035&languageId=&p=3

Mostly white men and women.  Not much brown skin there.

[Argus]

20 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Most wanted RCMP list in BC.  http://bc.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=1035&languageId=&p=3

Mostly white men and women.  Not much brown skin there.

And why do you feel the need to segment it down to a specific geographical region? These are people largely wanted for stolen credit cards, breach of probation, burglary, Why are you incapable of discussing the preponderance of middle east, asian and Black people on the national list which contains the serious violent offenses?

Edited December 23, 2016 by Argus

[WestCoastRunner]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

And why do you feel the need to segment it down to a specific geographical region? These are people largely wanted for stolen credit cards, breach of probation, burglary, Why are you incapable of discussing the preponderance of middle east, asian and Black people on the national list which contains the serious violent offenses?

Canada's most wanted list:  https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/a-look-at-canadas-12-most-wanted-fugitives

Many on this list are white and very violent.  In fact, the majority are white.

[Argus]

7 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Canada's most wanted list:  https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/a-look-at-canadas-12-most-wanted-fugitives

Many on this list are white and very violent.  In fact, the majority are white.

What are you doing, desperately searching the internet for some list which has white people on it? This is not the most wanted list. I posted the official most wanted list straight from the RCMP web site. You don't like it because it's mostly non white faces so you keep trying to find something else.

And again, to keep things on topic, here is Ottawa' most wanted list, with more than half the wanted criminals Muslims.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ottawas-most-wanted-have-you-seen-these-men

Edited December 23, 2016 by Argus

[Omni]

54 minutes ago, Argus said:

What are you doing, desperately searching the internet for some list which has white people on it? This is not the most wanted list. I posted the official most wanted list straight from the RCMP web site. You don't like it because it's mostly non white faces so you keep trying to find something else.

And again, to keep things on topic, here is Ottawa' most wanted list, with more than half the wanted criminals Muslims.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ottawas-most-wanted-have-you-seen-these-men

Would that be similar to desperately searching the internet for some list which has non white people on it?

[Argus]

27 minutes ago, Omni said:

Would that be similar to desperately searching the internet for some list which has non white people on it?

I read the Citizen every day. I've posted from it often. I live here. I didn't have to go look for the list. I only posted the RCMP list when people sniveled about the Ottawa one - in order to show a similar tendency in the country as a whole.

Edited December 23, 2016 by Argus

[Peter F]

On 12/22/2016 at 1:24 PM, Argus said:

What if I say there has been an increase in violence, shootings, murder an general crime in my city due in large part to Muslims? 

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ottawas-most-wanted-have-you-seen-these-men

You'd be jumping to a conclusion with no evidence to support that conclusion. No one on that list is identified as Muslim.

 

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, Peter F said:

You'd be jumping to a conclusion with no evidence to support that conclusion. No one on that list is identified as Muslim.

You seriously typed that up as a worthwhile response?

 

[Peter F]

Absolutely. They are not identified as Muslims. Yet you claim they are muslims with no evidence to support that claim.

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, Peter F said:

Absolutely. They are not identified as Muslims. Yet you claim they are muslims with no evidence to support that claim.

No, evidence, huh?

[Peter F]

Yah. No evidence.

[Rue]

Ok can we cool it a tad? Trying to assign blame or culpability to all Muslims in Canada or the world for the actions

of Muslim criminals or terrorists is as stupid as doing the same thing to blacks, Christians, Jews, aboriginals, etc.

Look is it not possible for me to say their is a serious drug and alcohol abuse problem in aboriginal communities without people assuming I hate aboriginals? Of cours ebut its in how I pose that wording. If I pose the wording in terms of not defining every aboriginal as inferior or an alcoholic, it can be done in a caring and humanitarian way and not in a way that insults all aboriginals.

These discussions come down to nothing more than politeness, manners. I have and will state that terrorism within the Muslim world is real and we have to screen out Muslim terrorists but I will not come on this forum and call all Muslims terrorists or blame the entire Muslim world for terrorists anymore than I do not balme all white men for a rapist who is white or a child molester who is white.

Is that rocket science?

Can all you guys discuss the issues without jumping to smeers about anyone? Can you not talk of terrorism within certain communities without blaming the entire community or describing that entire community as bad or evil, etc.?

I am exceedingly comfortable when discussions go off on a tangent from a legitimate security concern or social concern to label an entire group of people whether they be Muslim Jewish, whatever bad people. I just will not do it.

It empowers Muslim terrorists when you do that. it empowers Muslim terrorists because that is precisely the response they want to trigger to alienate good Muslims away from good ordinary people and make these good Muslims feel we non Muslims hate them all not just extremists.

I read year after year the negative generalizations. You can pull the word Muslim out and insert Jew, Zionist, Israeli, woman, gay, black, whatever, it never ends. The group's name changes, but the exercise of stereotyping the whole group with a negative, never changes and that is a damn shame.

Its precisely what causes massacres and genocides, the slaughters, the holocaust, on and on.

Not today. One day I say, take one day off from smeering an entire people.

You want to hate something...hate the fact we can't seem to transcend hate..that we can't seem to transcend defining people by the pack they live in...that we can't seem to evolve past being baboons in competing packs showing our fangs at each other fighting over each other's young baboon females to mate with.

For one day, put down the sticks and share your bananas.

 

 

 

[Argus]

19 hours ago, Rue said:

I have and will state that terrorism within the Muslim world is real and we have to screen out Muslim terrorists but I will not come on this forum and call all Muslims terrorists or blame the entire Muslim world for terrorists anymore than I do not balme all white men for a rapist who is white or a child molester who is white.

Is that rocket science?

Well I like to think of myself as fairly logical, and arguing from that perspective. Tell me, Rue, when you see statistics such as this:

Percentage of Muslims with Unfavorable Views of Jews:

• Jordan - 100 percent
• Lebanon - 99 percent
• Egypt - 98 percent
• Morocco - 88 percent
• Indonesia - 76 percent
• Pakistan - 74 percent
• Turkey - 60 percent

Do you really think terrorism against Jews and hatred of Israel are exclusive of the views of the Muslim population at large?

 

 

[eyeball]

Percentage of white racists who hate Muslims?

It probably goes without saying.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Percentage of white racists who hate Muslims?

It probably goes without saying.

It does.  The word "racists" is a dead giveaway.  The trick would be to find out the percentage of whites who agree with them.

[eyeball]

Whatever it is I'm betting it's the same ratio as Muslims.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Whatever it is I'm betting it's the same ratio as Muslims.

I would actually take that bet.  I don't think it is.

[Guest]

I want to make it perfectly clear, as always, that I don't mean all Muslims.

But still:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslims-charity-christmas-help-need-homelessness-elderly-austerity-britain-a7496396.html

[eyeball]

So Muslims support freebies for slackers?

Better not tell Argus.

 

[DogOnPorch]

5 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I want to make it perfectly clear, as always, that I don't mean all Muslims.

But still:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslims-charity-christmas-help-need-homelessness-elderly-austerity-britain-a7496396.html

 

The Hell's Angels do Toy Runs.

[Guest]

10 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The Hell's Angels do Toy Runs.

Not all of them.