This week in Islam

[Argus]

56 minutes ago, dialamah said:

You don't want to discuss misogyny unless its Islam/Muslims.  Why is that?

You remind me of when Douglas Murray castigated some people who were proud of themselves for protesting against the pope because the Catholics don't allow gay marriage.

"Well, I'm a gay man, I'd love it if the church allowed gay marriage, but they're not going to. Meanwhile I wish the people who are so proud of having protested against the pope paid at least a little attention to the people who want to throw me off a building."

Remind me of the last time Canada stoned a woman to death for adultery, would you?

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

This is your standard excuse for Islamic extremism.  Because Islam acts, in some ways, like Christianity did long ago you want to pretend they're the same. Well, they're not. Christianity has evolved. Islam has not. In fact, Islam is not only not becoming more liberal it is growing more extreme, more violent, and less tolerant towards any deviation from their holy books.

 

Some posters at this juncture will point to the Iranian Army Coup of 1953 with Operation Ajax in tow as the reason Islam needed to be defeated at the gates of Paris by Charles Martel.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

In fact, Islam is not only not becoming more liberal it is growing more extreme, more violent, and less tolerant towards any deviation from their holy books.

When Christianity began to reform, it did not have the example of the rest of the world to go by.  It did not have the plethora of information or the science behind the reasons for changing.  Islam has all these advantages and still refuses to reform.

Dia says in 2 or 3 generations it might get better.  That's a long time.  That's a lot of deaths, a lot of killing, a lot of stoning, a lot of hate.  Apparently we are just to sit back, suck it up  and ignore it in the hopes they eventually "figure it out."

[OftenWrong]

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Her advice is to "submit".

I bet she likes that...

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

When Christianity began to reform, it did not have the example of the rest of the world to go by.  It did not have the plethora of information or the science behind the reasons for changing.  Islam has all these advantages and still refuses to reform.

Dia says in 2 or 3 generations it might get better.  That's a long time.  That's a lot of deaths, a lot of killing, a lot of stoning, a lot of hate.  Apparently we are just to sit back, suck it up  and ignore it in the hopes they eventually "figure it out."

 

There is some element of Islam dialamah finds attractive. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

I bet she likes that...

 

Great minds...

[DogOnPorch]

But joking aside...women who support Islam MUST be into submission towards men as their betters.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, dialamah said:

You mean, when I point out the lack of demonizing men as a counterpoint to the regular demonizing of Muslims?  Sometimes I seriously wonder about your reading comprehension.

You have demonized all men in your posts.  Several times you have flat out said, "All men are rapists."

Sometimes I seriously wonder about your general comprehension.  You seem to argue whatever suits you at the time.  

Sometimes terrorists are mostly new converts, sometimes terrorists are mostly old-time Muslims.  Depends what you need to argue at the time.  It just seems desperate to me.

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

There is some element of Islam dialamah finds attractive. 

It's the hijabs.

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You have demonized all men in your posts.  Several times you have flat out said, "All men are rapists."

Sometimes I seriously wonder about your general comprehension.  You seem to argue whatever suits you at the time.  

Sometimes terrorists are mostly new converts, sometimes terrorists are mostly old-time Muslims.  Depends what you need to argue at the time.  It just seems desperate to me.

 

As Nazis go, that Erwin Rommel was a pretty good guy. 3-4 PM was the agreed 'football hour'...no shelling the British during that period to make way for soccer practice.

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's the hijabs.

 

It's something...

Again, joking aside...there's something seductive to certain 'infidel' women about Islam. This even though Islam makes no secret about it regarding women as hopelessly inferior to men...no chance of redemption, there.

[Goddess]

16 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

It's something...

Again, joking aside...there's something seductive to certain 'infidel' women about Islam. This even though Islam makes no secret about it regarding women as hopelessly inferior to men...no chance of redemption, there.

I know.  I sometimes see white women in burkas, always with a Muslim man.  I always wonder if they converted?  What appealed to them about being treated that way?  What would make a Western woman join a religion that demonizes women so blatantly and unapologetically?  It's a look that screams "Don't look at me!  Dont' talk to me!  Stay away from me!" and then they're offended when people do.

Edited November 27, 2019 by Goddess

[jacee]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

If you're attempting to suggest such laws go against the will of the people the PEW research polls flatly contradict you. Such laws, even the most violent ones calling for death for adultery and blaspheme, are overwhelmingly supported in most of the Muslim world.

You'll have to provide a link to support your claim.

I don't see such a study on the PEW website.

And I'd like to see such a survey of Muslims in Canada ... who may come here to get away from such extremism. 

[Goddess]

What's with the machete attacks?  It's getting ridiculous.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5609593/One-machete-attack-90-minutes-UK-streets.html
 

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Figures uncovered using freedom of information requests show that in the last two months of 2017 police dealt with 928 crimes involving machetes. This is an average of 15 a day – or one every 90 minutes. 

Machetes came to public prominence in May 2013 when British soldier Lee Rigby was butchered in broad daylight by two Islamist fanatics.

 

 

Machete attack breaks out in movie theater showing Frozen 2.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/families-left-shocked-after-frozen-2-screening-ends-in-machete-brawl/ar-BBXquwA?ocid=spartandhp

 

[Goddess]

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

You had, as I recall, two bad experiences with Muslim men. 

I had a lot of bad experiences with both men and women Muslims.  I haven't even told all of them here.

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Now you regularly post, on this forum, about the evils of Islam.

I have an interest in dangerous cults, because of having been involved in and eventually escaping one.

[Iceni warrior]

28 minutes ago, Goddess said:

What's with the machete attacks?  It's getting ridiculous.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5609593/One-machete-attack-90-minutes-UK-streets.html
 

 

Machete attack breaks out in movie theater showing Frozen 2.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/families-left-shocked-after-frozen-2-screening-ends-in-machete-brawl/ar-BBXquwA?ocid=spartandhp

 

What's up with posting this in the Islam thread?

 

Also why does that 2nd article lead with ''in theatre showing Frozen 2'' when the brawl was people coming out of a film about gang crime?

Edited November 27, 2019 by Iceni warrior

[Argus]

3 hours ago, jacee said:

You'll have to provide a link to support your claim.

This shows support for Sharia across the Muslim world

https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

And this is the preference of Muslims as to how Sharia should be applied.

https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/#how-should-sharia-be-applied

 

[dialamah]

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I have an interest in dangerous cults, because of having been involved in and eventually escaping one.

JW "dangerous"?  Your life was never in danger.  You weren't even in any danger from anyone when you left,  save possibly your husband, if he was violent. 

Yes,  you lost all or most of your family and social support when you chose to leave, and that's rough.  It's no less rough for refugees and immigrants who come here from other countries.  But rather then compassion for them, who suffer as you have in loss of family, friends and their place in the world, you assume the worst about them.  Especially those who've been traumatized by war and violence, such as Syrian refugees.  Instead of considering their humanity, you lump them under an umbrella you call "Islam" and assume the motivation of the refugee men who exploded in anger at you, or the refugee boy who inappropriately touched a girl, or the refugee boy who is accused of murder of another girl is because of "Islam", and dismiss the trauma of war and living in a refugee camp, poverty stricken  and at risk.of.physical and sexual violence for years.  You begrudge these people the free expression of their faith, and instead accuse them, many of them direct victims of physical and sexual violence from the true extremists, of all manner of horrific beliefs, intentions and behavior just because they're Muslim.

Pretty pathetic. 

[OftenWrong]

7 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

There is some element of Islam dialamah finds attractive. 

What's not to like? Those romantic Knights of the desert...

 

Adventures in far away, romantic places...

 

with a desert bad-boy...

... nomad, vagabond, call me what you will...

[scribblet]

15 hours ago, Goddess said:

What's with the machete attacks?  It's getting ridiculous.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5609593/One-machete-attack-90-minutes-UK-streets.html
Machete attack breaks out in movie theater showing Frozen 2.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/families-left-shocked-after-frozen-2-screening-ends-in-machete-brawl/ar-BBXquwA?ocid=spartandhp

 

They do seem to be increasing, one every 90 mins. in the U.K.    also acid attacks in London are on the rise, this is dated but speaks to the issue  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/acid-attacks-uk-highest-world-figures-police-revealed-a8098236.html

It’s also  disappointing to see the left supporting the hijab and other forms of female oppression as  women are being imprisoned for refusing to wear it. 

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6108124167001

She told Sky News the “woke brigade” are guilty of hypocrisy when they champion this garment. “Putting it (the hijab) on the cover of Sports Illustrated, that’s an example of that hypocrisy, of that betrayal of freedom, that betrayal of feminism and betrayal of freedom”.

 

[Iceni warrior]

4 minutes ago, scribblet said:

They do seem to be increasing, one every 90 mins. in the U.K.    also acid attacks in London are on the rise, this is dated but speaks to the issue  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/acid-attacks-uk-highest-world-figures-police-revealed-a8098236.html

It’s also  disappointing to see the left supporting the hijab and other forms of female oppression as  women are being imprisoned for refusing to wear it. 

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6108124167001

She told Sky News the “woke brigade” are guilty of hypocrisy when they champion this garment. “Putting it (the hijab) on the cover of Sports Illustrated, that’s an example of that hypocrisy, of that betrayal of freedom, that betrayal of feminism and betrayal of freedom”.

 

Why are you trying to link machete and acid attacks with Islam?

Both are a result of gang crime not Islam.

[Goddess]

15 hours ago, dialamah said:

JW "dangerous"? 

Maybe it didn't bother you to sacrifice your children's  lives on the altar of "No Blood", but it bothered me enough to leave.  JW's also have much higher than average rates of depression, which leads to much higher rates of suicide.  They also have much higher rates of auto-immune disorders like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue.  As you know - even if you are "in" you must not have relationships with "worldly" people - including family.  Yes.  JW's = dangerous.

The rest is your opinion, which is low because I'm a white woman who sees Islam as a dangerous cult and you see it as a force for good in the world and the best religion ever invented and it strokes your ego to support any "brown" people - no matter what they do.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Goddess

[Goddess]

20 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Both are a result of gang crime not Islam.

It's both.  As the article pointed out, machete attacking started with Islamist fanatics hacking a British soldier to death in broad daylight on a busy street.  The same as driving vans into crowds to  kill as many as possible started with Islamics.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Goddess

[scribblet]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/08/police-officer-critically-injured-london-machete-attack-vehicle/

 

The French gov’t may be waking up as it has shut down mosques, schools, and associations linked to the spread of Islamist ideology in various areas across France.    I wonder if other countries are going to be doing the same, does Canada monitor the situation. 

French Secretary of State for the Interior Laurent Nuñez announced the closure of 130 drinking establishments, 12 places of worship, three schools, and nine associations linked to radical Islamism on Friday

http://www.leparisien.fr/politique/islamisme-des-ecoles-et-lieux-de-culte-fermes-dans-une-quinzaine-de-quartiers-15-11-2019-8193708.php

 

[Iceni warrior]

23 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's both.  As the article pointed out, machete attacking started with Islamist fanatics hacking a British soldier to death in broad daylight on a busy street.  The same as driving vans into crowds to  kill as many as possible started with Islamics.

No they didn't. That's just the first time you heard about them.

The vast majority of knife crimes and acid attacks are simple criminality. Drug turfs, robbery etc.

You are trying to link them with Islam to promote an agenda.

Driving cars into crowds is an unwanted result of the difficulty terrorist have getting hold of guns and explosives in the UK due to fighting a 30 year war with Irish republicans.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Iceni warrior