Michael Hardner Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 9:10 AM, OftenWrong said: Yes, we do. Wrong, OftenWrong. Canadaland did an examination of how Canadians responded to the Quebec Mosque shooter: It was covered less than the Boston Marathon bombing, which had fewer casualties and happened in a foreign countries. Anecdotally, I bring this incident up with people quite often and they don't remember it ! Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Wrong, OftenWrong. Canadaland did an examination of how Canadians responded to the Quebec Mosque shooter: It was covered less than the Boston Marathon bombing, which had fewer casualties and happened in a foreign countries. Anecdotally, I bring this incident up with people quite often and they don't remember it ! The question was specific, and I gave a specific answer. It was about the public's attitude toward white shooters. My first thought was about the Vegas shooting. Is the public responsible for what the media covers, or the extent to which they do it? For example, the Danforth shooter was also covered "less", and people wanted to know more about it. On the other hand, the shooting in Las Vegas had lots of coverage. Doesn't seem like media air-time alone is a useful rule, as in some cases it is being controlled. Quote
dialamah Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 6:10 AM, OftenWrong said: Yes, we do. Funny, haven't seen any wailing by white people condemning those two white boys who are being hunted for the killing of three folks in Northern BC. No groups of white people outside the courthouse condemning one of their own who was on trial for killing his two daughters; remember the Muslims who were outside the courthouse to condemn the murderer of Marissa Shen? When that White guy in New Zealand killed 50 Muslims, white folk the (Western) world over saw no reason to consider their own anti-Muslim rhetoric as remotely connected. Because you know, a Muslim person killing someone requires the world of Muslims to apologize and "reform their religion". White folks killing people? Meh. It happens. There's crazy people everywhere. Quote
dialamah Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: For example, the Danforth shooter was also covered "less", and people wanted to know more about it. Yes, they wanted the authorities to "admit" it was an Islamic terror attack. Because you know, it was a Muslim person therefore it *must* have been a terror attack because Muslims only ever kill in the name of Allah as part of their war on the West and non-believers. If the family said the shooter had mental issues, they were lying. If the shooter had previous contact with police due to mental health issues, it clearly wasn't that serious because they didn't institutionalize him. If anyone in his social circle supported the mental health narrative, they were lying, possibly at behest of authorities who want to 'protect' extremist Muslims. If anyone outside his social circle supported the mental health narrative, or even failed to support the terrorist narrative they were 'apologist' for Islamic extremism. He's a Muslim, ergo it's a terror attack and any other explanation is false. The rhetoric around Muslim misdeeds and white guy misdeeds is significantly different and if you think it isn't, you aren't paying attention. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 51 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Doesn't seem like media air-time alone is a useful rule, as in some cases it is being controlled. Odd that you just state that the public wanted more coverage of the one attack, and assert that the media is 'controlled' with no cites. I will assert that the media exists to get eyeballs/attention and is therefore a general reflection of the mass interest. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 49 minutes ago, dialamah said: Funny, haven't seen any wailing by white people condemning those two white boys who are being hunted for the killing of three folks in Northern BC. No groups of white people outside the courthouse condemning one of their own who was on trial for killing his two daughters; remember the Muslims who were outside the courthouse to condemn the murderer of Marissa Shen? When that White guy in New Zealand killed 50 Muslims, white folk the (Western) world over saw no reason to consider their own anti-Muslim rhetoric as remotely connected. Because you know, a Muslim person killing someone requires the world of Muslims to apologize and "reform their religion". White folks killing people? Meh. It happens. There's crazy people everywhere. Islam isn't a skin colour. Even those 'white men' you hate so much can be Muslims. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Muslim woman screams out her...oh, let's call it disapproval...of gays at UK pride festival. I'm sure she's a minority... In the victim-hood hierarchy, Islam ranks higher than gay rights... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
scribblet Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 And in Sweden a muslim bus driver boots a woman off the bus for being improperly dressed. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
dialamah Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Muslim woman screams out her...oh, let's call it disapproval...of gays at UK pride festival. I'm sure she's a minority... In the victim-hood hierarchy, Islam ranks higher than gay rights... Yes she uses the popular Christian phrase " It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." Some people think she's not really Muslim because of this, but I disagree. I've always said that Islam and Christianity are not all that different, especially with their extremist, anti-progressive views. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Yes she uses the popular Christian phrase " It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." Some people think she's not really Muslim because of this, but I disagree. I've always said that Islam and Christianity are not all that different, especially with their extremist, anti-progressive views. She represents the majority of Islam. Not extremists. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, scribblet said: And in Sweden a muslim bus driver boots a woman off the bus for being improperly dressed. https://www.thelocal.se/20190730/malmo-teenager-ordered-off-bus-because-for-wearing-too-few-clothes Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: https://www.thelocal.se/20190730/malmo-teenager-ordered-off-bus-because-for-wearing-too-few-clothes Sure this is wrong. But Chreeestians do the same shit all the time. Quote
scribblet Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 When did a Christian bus driver kick a woman off a public bus in a non islamic country. 1 Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
dialamah Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: She represents the majority of Islam. Not extremists. Worldwide, the majority of Muslims disapprove of homosexuality, just as the majority of Christians do worldwide. The numbers of both Christians and Muslims who accept homosexuality is greater than the world average in the US and other Western countries. (Pew Research; World Values Database) A minority of Christians and Muslims find it necessary to hurl abuse at a gay pride parade. At the same parade: Footage of an angry exchange between a small group of Christian anti-Pride protesters and dozens of participants in Saturday's parade in London. The religious group preached messages declaring homosexuality as sinful.One woman chose to make her feeling clear by "mooning" the religious protesters. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, dialamah said: Worldwide, the majority of Muslims disapprove of homosexuality, just as the majority of Christians do worldwide. The numbers of both Christians and Muslims who accept homosexuality is greater than the world average in the US and other Western countries. (Pew Research; World Values Database) A minority of Christians and Muslims find it necessary to hurl abuse at a gay pride parade. At the same parade: Footage of an angry exchange between a small group of Christian anti-Pride protesters and dozens of participants in Saturday's parade in London. The religious group preached messages declaring homosexuality as sinful.One woman chose to make her feeling clear by "mooning" the religious protesters. I have you just where I like you. Defending murderous Islamic terrorists, Islamic antisemitism and Islamic hate for homosexuals. What other abhorrent Islamic things can I get you to defend? We'll see, eh? 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Boges said: Sure this is wrong. (Haha) But Chreeestians do the same shit all the time. I'm not Christian. How is this statement of yours a good argument for letting Muslims discriminate against non-Muslims again? It's wrong...BUT... But what? Two wrongs make a right? Is that what you're saying? I think so. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Boges said: Sure this is wrong. But Chreeestians do the same shit all the time. You don't get that there is a difference between a church demanding standards of dress, and an immigrant bus driver who works for the state demanding local girls dress the way his home nation thinks is fitting for women? 2 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Christian attitudes towards homosexuality are actually improving across the board according to the Pew Research folks. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Argus said: You don't get that there is a difference between a church demanding standards of dress, and an immigrant bus driver who works for the state demanding local girls dress the way his home nation thinks is fitting for women? Anything to defend their pet religion. Like a dog who keeps biting the mailman...he's just playing around. Hold your arm above your head...it'll slow the bleeding. 1 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 43 minutes ago, Argus said: You don't get that there is a difference between a church demanding standards of dress, and an immigrant bus driver who works for the state demanding local girls dress the way his home nation thinks is fitting for women? How about Christians who refuse to serve homosexuals. It's the same mindset that makes them think they have the right or even the obligation to impose their religious beliefs on others. In any case, bus drivers seem to have all kinds of reasons for refusing service. Christian bus driver refuses to drive rainbow bus Bus driver refuses to pick up passenger because of her niqab Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, dialamah said: How about Christians who refuse to serve homosexuals. It's the same mindset that makes them think they have the right or even the obligation to impose their religious beliefs on others. In any case, bus drivers seem to have all kinds of reasons for refusing service. Christian bus driver refuses to drive rainbow bus Bus driver refuses to pick up passenger because of her niqab More two wrong make a right to discriminate based on religion. You folks really are a contradiction... But as long as Islam is victorious...the ends justify the means, eh? 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Marocc Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Odd that you just state that the public wanted more coverage of the one attack, and assert that the media is 'controlled' with no cites. I will assert that the media exists to get eyeballs/attention and is therefore a general reflection of the mass interest. The media tells the masses what to be interested in. Quote
Marocc Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, dialamah said: How about Christians who refuse to serve homosexuals. It's the same mindset that makes them think they have the right or even the obligation to impose their religious beliefs on others. In any case, bus drivers seem to have all kinds of reasons for refusing service. Christian bus driver refuses to drive rainbow bus Bus driver refuses to pick up passenger because of her niqab It isn't their obligation to serve anyone to begin with. Quote
Marocc Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Argus said: You don't get that there is a difference between a church demanding standards of dress, and an immigrant bus driver who works for the state demanding local girls dress the way his home nation thinks is fitting for women? Exaggeration. 1 hour ago, scribblet said: When did a Christian bus driver kick a woman off a public bus in a non islamic country. I've seen it happen many times. (well I assume at least one of them was a Christian - statistical likeliness is higher) I don't think they take women in bikinis in either as a rule... Quote
dialamah Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Marocc said: It isn't their obligation to serve anyone to begin with. It is part of their job, so yeah it is. In Canada and many other countries, you can't refuse service to someone because they are gay, or brown or white or dress in a way you disaprove of. You can lose your job for refusing, so they do have that choice. Edited July 31, 2019 by dialamah Quote
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