Marocc Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: If not, then why are you here adding to the conversation? If you feel that people who speak their minds shouldn't expect to feel safe, you're showing a lack of caring for groups. This is antithetical to Christianity and liberal tolerance. If you feel that you don't owe anything to other groups then you are validating the reason for this thread by framing your faith as a combative and divisive ideology. It matters because your role here is to either confirm or dispell the thesis of the thread. I have never insinuated either of the things you claim. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, Marocc said: I have never insinuated either of the things you claim. Do you believe Christians and Jews should have the right to practice their faith in Muslim countries in an atmosphere of safety? Does Islam require that? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/11/2019 at 8:51 AM, Marocc said: What is a Muslim assaults someone sexually? It was interesting at the American border control just now some official groped a 15 year old. No one cares much but if he had been a Muslim, you'd all be hyperventilating. What made the official think it was okay? Quote
dialamah Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, bcsapper said: What made the official think it was okay? Why does it matter? It's wrong. Quote
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, dialamah said: Why does it matter? It's wrong. We weren't talking about right or wrong. We were talking about possible motivation. If it's wrong, why did he do it? Quote
dialamah Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, bcsapper said: We weren't talking about right or wrong. We were talking about possible motivation. If it's wrong, why did he do it? American culture: might is right. You are weaker and smaller than me, therefore I can abuse you with impunity. Quote
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, dialamah said: American culture: might is right. You are weaker and smaller than me, therefore I can abuse you with impunity. Sure. He might have known it was wrong, and did it anyway, figuring he wouldn't get caught, but there's no doubt his upbringing played a part. Quote
dialamah Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 Clearly, American values are antithetical to Canadian values. We need to make sure they do not destroy Canadian culture by asking them questions at the border. We know they'll lie, just so they can come into Canada and bring their power/violence mad culture here and live off our welfare state while plotting our downfall, so we'll be sneaky about those questions. They'll never figure it out! Quote
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, dialamah said: Clearly, American values are antithetical to Canadian values. We need to make sure they do not destroy Canadian culture by asking them questions at the border. We know they'll lie, just so they can come into Canada and bring their power/violence mad culture here and live off our welfare state while plotting our downfall, so we'll be sneaky about those questions. They'll never figure it out! They'll just lie. We need to tell them that barbaric cultural practices are expressly forbidden, making sure to detail said practices so there is no doubt as to what we mean, and then deport them without appeal once they have been found guilty of indulging in them. If they do. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 Guilty until proven innocent...the new way. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
OftenWrong Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/11/2019 at 2:52 PM, Michael Hardner said: What for? Will it help? Do you say that because there aren't any? I feel like I already have done that in the past, too. There was a time when people used to say Muslims didn't condemn violence. Then people showed them that Muslims did condemn violence. So they found something else bad to say. Your response sounds like a cop-out, an evasive dodge. As if it wouldn't help. The claim that no one would listen is BS. Promoting good things would be an effective counter to extremism, on both sides. For every media an equal and opposite media. But I have yet to see such an effort, either from the media or mainscream enthusiasts like yourself. So perhaps it doesn't exist. Quote
dialamah Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Promoting good things would be an effective counter to extremism, on both sides. I post positive things from the Muslim world; just a day ago, I posted about the conference with 1200 attendees to consider ways to combat divisiveness, violence and extremism. I was attacked for that. When positive news stories are posted about successful Muslims in the West, they are dismissed as government propaganda and not representative of the majority. Perhaps, if you are concerned about extremism "on both sides" you could make more effort to notice and support "the positive" instead of assuming it doesn't happen. Quote
dialamah Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bcsapper said: They'll just lie. We need to tell them that barbaric cultural practices are expressly forbidden, making sure to detail said practices so there is no doubt as to what we mean, and then deport them without appeal once they have been found guilty of indulging in them. If they do. That won't work. They'll just lay low until they represent (3% or 5% or 10%, some massive minority like that) of the population and then just take over. We need to make sure they can't get into the country at all. They must prove that they aren't guilty of future bad behavior before being allowed in. Edited July 13, 2019 by dialamah 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: 1. Your response sounds like a cop-out, an evasive dodge. As if it wouldn't help. The claim that no one would listen is BS. 2. But I have yet to see such an effort, either from the media or mainscream enthusiasts like yourself. So perhaps it doesn't exist. 1. There are lots of positive stories out there and I think I have posted some in the past. I don't see any evidence of someone being impacted by such stories. 2. What specifically are you asking from me? I'm on my phone so searching isn't very easy. I'm almost certain I have posted positive stories here though. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, dialamah said: That won't work. They'll just lay low until they represent (3% or 5% or 10%, some massive minority like that) of the population and then just take over. We need to make sure they can't get into the country at all. They must prove that they aren't guilty of future bad behavior before being allowed in. I disagree. But then, I'm armed. Quote
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. There are lots of positive stories out there and I think I have posted some in the past. I don't see any evidence of someone being impacted by such stories. 2. What specifically are you asking from me? I'm on my phone so searching isn't very easy. I'm almost certain I have posted positive stories here though. Positive stories are the same as negative stories. Regardless of who they are about, the expression "not all of them" applies. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Positive stories are the same as negative stories. Regardless of who they are about, the expression "not all of them" applies. Maybe, except some here seem to think that there are no good stories. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Maybe, except some here seem to think that there are no good stories. I only said perhaps. But I am not asking you to do something. For every good story you might post, someone else can post 100 bad ones. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I only said perhaps. But I am not asking you to do something. For every good story you might post, someone else can post 100 bad ones. So you agree with me. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Argus Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, dialamah said: I post positive things from the Muslim world; just a day ago, I posted about the conference with 1200 attendees to consider ways to combat divisiveness, violence and extremism. I was attacked for that. No, it was pointed out to you that the organization in question is funded by the Saudi government, and thus the interpretation you put on their words is most unlikely to resemble their actual intentions. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
OftenWrong Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: So you agree with me. I only agree this is the message we are getting, from you, others and the media as a whole. It's out there in abundance. Quote
dialamah Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, Argus said: No, it was pointed out to you that the organization in question is funded by the Saudi government, and thus the interpretation you put on their words is most unlikely to resemble their actual intentions. As usual, anything positive posted about Muslims is discounted by the usual suspects. #NoGoodMuslims Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I only agree this is the message we are getting, from you, others and the media as a whole. It's out there in abundance. What message? The media report stories in their own, they don't come here for content? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Argus Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, dialamah said: As usual, anything positive posted about Muslims is discounted by the usual suspects. #NoGoodMuslims I'm sure there are good Muslims. I'm also sure they don't work for the Saudi government at a propaganda mill. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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