cybercoma Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 It seems odd that a woman with such strong convictions about an issue just happens to have a child who is gender or sexually confused. Is there anyone else who thinks that maybe mom is steering the kid to be female. Imagine, a mother who support her child. Inconceivable. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) What a ridiculous statement! Really! You and cyber have never seen that happen before? Really! In a society which is rife with gender stereotypes and biases, children regularly learn to adopt gender roles which are not always fair to both sexes. As children move through childhood and into adolescence, they are exposed to many factors which influence their attitudes and behaviors regarding gender roles. These attitudes and behaviors are generally learned first in the home and are then reinforced by the child's peers, school experience, and television viewing. However, the strongest influence on gender role development seems to occur within the family setting, with parents passing on, both overtly and covertly, to their children their own beliefs about gender. Edited June 22, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
TimG Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Imagine, a mother who support her child. Inconceivable. http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html In MBPS, an individual — usually a parent or caregiver— causes or fabricates symptoms in a child. The adult deliberately misleads others (particularly medical professionals), and may go as far as to actually cause symptoms in the child through poisoning, medication, or even suffocation. In most cases (85%), the mother is responsible for causing the illness or symptoms. Typically, the cause is a need for attention and sympathy from doctors, nurses, and other professionals. Some experts believe that it isn't just the attention that's gained from the "illness" of the child that drives this behavior, but also the satisfaction in deceiving individuals who they consider to be more important and powerful than themselves. Because the parent or caregiver appears to be so caring and attentive, often no one suspects any wrongdoing. Diagnosis is made extremely difficult due to the the ability of the parent or caregiver to manipulate doctors and induce symptoms in their child. Parents do manipulate their children to fill voids in their personal lives. It happens more often than most people would admit. Edited June 22, 2014 by TimG Quote
TimG Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) These accusations are idiotic.Why? You know nothing about that woman. All you know is she claims to be supporting her kid. You have absolutely no way to know that she has not played an active role in persuading her kid to question his gender. What is idiotic is your pathetic assumption that just because someone does something that appeals to your "cult of the victim" that she must be doing to for the right reasons. Edited June 22, 2014 by TimG Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 Why? You know nothing about that woman. All you know is she claims to be supporting her kid. You have absolutely no way to know that she has not played an active role in persuading her kid to question his gender. What is idiotic is your pathetic assumption that just because someone does something that appeals to your "cult of the victim" that she must be doing to for the right reasons. Right on Tim! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 So, this woman gives "pride training" and lectures about "gender creativity", has one boy that's a a 9YO cross dresser and another 6YO boy that's a full blown transgender and people don't see the incredible coincidence here. I think maybe she started too late with the first boy but got the second one early enough. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
TimG Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) So, this woman gives "pride training" and lectures about "gender creativity", has one boy that's a a 9YO cross dresser and another 6YO boy that's a full blown transgender and people don't see the incredible coincidence here.Given these facts the delusional people are the ones who do NOT think that this woman manipulated her children. This also illustrates why I have huge misgivings when people want to normalize crossing dressing for kids. Seems to me that these so called gender issues are really symptoms of other mental health issues which are not being addressed. Treating such behavior as "normal" would simply mean that the kids don't get the help they need. Edited June 23, 2014 by TimG Quote
cybercoma Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 Why? You know nothing about that woman And neither do you, but you'll assume the worst. Quote
TimG Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) And neither do you, but you'll assume the worst.The original question was from a poster questioning the motivations of of the mother. It generated outrage because people refused to consider the possibility that this woman was manipulating her kids. That poster followed up with a claim that this women has two transgender/cross dressing kids - an extremely unlikely occurrence that is better explained by the fact that the kids were living in house where cross dressing "makes mommy proud". i.e. she manipulated them. Edited June 23, 2014 by TimG Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 Given these facts the delusional people are the ones who do NOT think that this woman manipulated her children. This also illustrates why I have huge misgivings when people want to normalize crossing dressing for kids. I agree that the women is probably manipulating her kids. But I don't really understand your misgivings towards people that 'want to normalize cross dressing'. What clothes someone wants to wear doesn't change their sex or gender, so I don't really see the big deal. Why care if people want to wear 'opposite gender' clothes if they want to? It harms no-one. Quote
TimG Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Why care if people want to wear 'opposite gender' clothes if they want to? It harms no-one.Well the message does not appear to be limited to cross dressing for the sake of the clothes - it appears to "your wearing a dress maybe you should cut off your willy in the future...". I think children will respond to their environment and if they are told that wearing opposite sex clothes means they should be a different gender and then some will come to believe that when they really have other mental health issues which are being ignored. I don't believe that children should be taught that mutilating yourself is an option if one is having trouble fitting in. Most people would be appalled that a parent would suggest breast enhancement surgery to a young girl and people should be equally appalled if a parent suggests a sex change to a child with unambiguous sex organs. The latter is what I see these activists wanting to normalize. Edited June 23, 2014 by TimG Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 Well the message does not appear to be limited to cross dressing for the sake of the clothes - it appears to "your wearing a dress maybe you should cut off your willy in the future...". I think children will respond to their environment and if they are told that wearing opposite sex clothes means they should be a different gender and then some will come to believe that when they really have other mental health issues which are being ignored. I don't believe that children should be taught that mutilating yourself is an option if one is having trouble fitting in. Most people would be appalled that a parent would suggest breast enhancement surgery to a young girl and people should be equally appalled if a parent suggests a sex change to a child with unambiguous sex organs. The latter is what I see these activists wanting to normalize. Yes, but isn't this sort of a slippery slope argument? You can oppose genital mutilation for young children without opposing 'cross-dressing'. Quote
TimG Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Yes, but isn't this sort of a slippery slope argument? You can oppose genital mutilation for young children without opposing 'cross-dressing'.We are talking about policies where kids are told they can use whatever washroom they want and play on whatever sports team they want. It is clear that normalizing genital mutilation is the ultimate objective. If it was just about 'don't tease the boy who likes to wear dresses' then there would be no need to special rules about washrooms or sports teams. Edited June 23, 2014 by TimG Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 At 6 years old you don't know anything about sexual identity. All you really know is "what gets me the attention than that I need" - that's about it. If this boy has been getting positive feedback for being a girl, he'll do just that. Maybe he sees his brother (or sister) dressing like a girl and it just seems like the norm in the family. I agree with Tim that this woman's ultimate goal is probably to look at complete gender reassignment for this kid and once she gets the government to side with her on all accounts that this boy is actually a girl, it's a short leap to survey. I'll bet we see them heading down this road sooner rather than later - my guess is before he hits puberty. P.S - I can't wait until some teenage girl feels uncomfortable about a boy in her dressing room or some boy gets expelled for insisting he has a right to change in the girls locker room - what then? What about their rights? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Black Dog Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 There are two biological sexes. People born with ambiguous biology need to pick one and need support if the choice made for them was the wrong one. Immediately self-contradicting. Now I realize that some people want to make a big deal out of gender being a social construct but what most people mean when they talk about gender is biology and no amount of the pathetic attempts at social engineering is going to change that nor should it. I'm confused: is this a post about civil rights from the '60s, gay rights from the '80s or trans rights now? Rather than the issue of trans accommodation going away, it's far more likely that transphobic bigots like you will be pushed to the margins along with the racists and homophobes. Quote
GostHacked Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 If I am a gay male , which bathroom should I be using? Quote
jacee Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 If I am a gay male , which bathroom should I be using?If you identify your gender as "male", then your choice is clear.. Quote
Boges Posted June 23, 2014 Author Report Posted June 23, 2014 If you're two-spirited can you mix it up? Quote
jacee Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 Well the message does not appear to be limited to cross dressing for the sake of the clothes - it appears to "your wearing a dress maybe you should cut off your willy in the future...". I think children will respond to their environment and if they are told that wearing opposite sex clothes means they should be a different gender and then some will come to believe that when they really have other mental health issues which are being ignored. I don't believe that children should be taught that mutilating yourself is an option if one is having trouble fitting in. Most people would be appalled that a parent would suggest breast enhancement surgery to a young girl and people should be equally appalled if a parent suggests a sex change to a child with unambiguous sex organs. The latter is what I see these activists wanting to normalize.Are you seriously saying that gender identity issues only exist because in all cases, the parents cause them? . Quote
Boges Posted June 23, 2014 Author Report Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Are you seriously saying that gender identity issues only exist because in all cases, the parents cause them? . I don't think he said all, but when it happens in children under 10, the accusation isn't without merit. I don't remember anyone ever saying a "Tom Boy" had gender identity issues and would be better served being called him, or some third gender identity pronouns. Edited June 23, 2014 by Boges Quote
GostHacked Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 If you identify your gender as "male", then your choice is clear. . Let's throw another twist. A gay male and a straight female both like men. Maybe we need another bathroom for gay males, as I might be uncomfortable with that situation. Yes I am being a little facetious. So Male - straight Male - gay Women- straight Women - Gay Transgendered Gender confused of undecided. When would one draw the line and say, that's enough? Quote
GostHacked Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 I don't remember anyone ever saying a "Tom Boy" had gender identity issues and would be better served being called him, or some third gender identity pronouns. Good points. Many 'Tom Boys' eventually grow out of that phase. I also played dress up when I was a kid, and one could pretend to be a lady, but it was really all just pretend. Quote
jacee Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 Let's throw another twist. A gay male and a straight female both like men. Maybe we need another bathroom for gay males, as I might be uncomfortable with that situation. Yes I am being a little facetious. So Male - straight Male - gay Women- straight Women - Gay Transgendered Gender confused of undecided. When would one draw the line and say, that's enough? The issue under discussion is respect for gender identity. It's "enough" when all children and adults are free from discrimination based on gender identity, free from having gender 'expectations' imposed on them by others. . Quote
TimG Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 Rather than the issue of trans accommodation going away, it's far more likely that transphobic bigots like you will be pushed to the margins along with the racists and homophobes.Pathetic. Can you really not see the difference between treating adults as equals and encouraging kids to consider self mutilation if they are having trouble fitting in? What is next for you? Schools recommending breast augmentation for insecure teenage girls? How about course on the proper way to be an an anorexic or tips on using steroids for boys that don't feel manly enough? Is there any barbarism that you won't rationalize if it fits your preconceptions? Quote
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