drummindiver Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 No reset. Unreported posts from 6 years ago aren't proof of anything. If you see something that runs afoul of the rules report it. I know I corrected many posts where Harper was misspelled in my time here. The moderation has let go an absolute plethora of Harper denigration.
Michael Hardner Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 The moderation has let go an absolute plethora of Harper denigration. I don't think so. "Let go" is itself a difficult thing to assess - often people aren't aware of suspensions and so on, and as has been explained they equate the posts being out there as 'no action taken'. That's not a good way to assess what happened. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted February 3, 2016 Author Report Posted February 3, 2016 Trudeau "Jr" is more often intended as an insult than not, You read minds now? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 You read minds now?Seriously. This is ridiculous. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hal 9000 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 Does anyone object to "Trudeau II"? The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Does anyone object to "Trudeau II"? Maybe just try "the PM." It requires much less typing. Edited February 3, 2016 by On Guard for Thee
Smallc Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 Maybe just try "the PM." It requires much less typing. Or, Trudeau. We all know which one we're talking about 99.9% when we say Trudeau in 2016.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 Or, Trudeau. We all know which one we're talking about 99.9% when we say Trudeau in 2016. I'm sure we do. It is rather obvious that the whole charade is just an attempt to take cheap shots at JT. I guess that's the way some people lick their wounds.
msj Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 Would like to see the mods get some backbone on some of these issues. Even where there are equivalents of Harper or Bush having their names immaturely used in an ad hominem way in the past we don't know if it was reported nor if it led to any warnings. That is no excuse to allow the continued abuse of any name (Bush, Harper, Trudeau) going forward. But, this is the same forum where the facilitator will, contra the rules, name a certain football QB using "rape" in his name and when it is pointed out that this violates forum rules (even though the QB is scum, no doubt) various excuses get put forward to justify not using the correct name. A most disappointing rollout for the new forum facilitator, imo. If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Argus Posted February 3, 2016 Author Report Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Let's review. What does it matter how we refer to politicians who are not here and will never read what is written here? The point of moderating this is, as I understand it, to prevent insulting references to such people from causing flamewars here on this site between their supporters. I have no idea how this came to be expanded into banning all derogatory or insulting references to all outsiders and groups other then bureacratic creep, but that's neither here nor there. What people are saying now is that referring to Trudeau as Trudeau Junior would so outrage his supporters that this would cause insults between members. I think if people are such fawning fanboys of Trudeau then almost any unflattering reference to him is going to cause indignation anyway, which anyone who reads the posts from his fanboys can already see. Edited February 3, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Yeah what gives? Is there some new time-to-be-nice PC-like movement I'm unaware of? Notice how even Parliament is trying to clean up it's act these days. I think it's pretty hilarious after 15 years of being likened to a bunch of mass murdering commies for my views I stand to be banned the next time I refer to some bigot as a racist. Bait your hooks I guess. I was suspended for calling somebody a hypocrite. They're a tough bunch, here. I think it's okay to refer to someone as a bigot or a racist if they actually are. If all they are doing is pointing out barbaric religious practices by barbaric religious people, to the annoyance of people who would prefer not to hear such things, then it definitely is an undeserved insult. I think the way to go would be to include the specific comment that provoked the epithet, and explain why it was not a valid criticism of the people in question. That way the point could be argued, instead of hidden. Edited February 3, 2016 by bcsapper
eyeball Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 I figure with so many foos shitting at the same time people should just bring an umbrella. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ReeferMadness Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 I was accused of insulting someone when I modified the saying "stick your head in the sand" (which is a metaphor for avoiding the issue) to "stick your head in the tar sand". Yesterday, I was accused derailing the Zika thread. (I don't know how you derail a thread that consists of nothing but the OP). I was trying to be funny and point out that the link was broken. I have a lot of sympathy for the moderators - it's a tough job. Having said that, it would be nice if there were an appeal mechanism where you can explain yourself before being evicted. Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Hal 9000 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 I was suspended for calling somebody a hypocrite. They're a tough bunch, here. I think it's okay to refer to someone as a bigot or a racist if they actually are. If all they are doing is pointing out barbaric religious practices by barbaric religious people, to the annoyance of people who would prefer not to hear such things, then it definitely is an undeserved insult. I think the way to go would be to include the specific comment that provoked the epithet, and explain why it was not a valid criticism of the people in question. That way the point could be argued, instead of hidden. I watched a dude flame away at a poster, reported it at least twice - nothing. I put out the f word a short time later and within 3 minutes i was given a 30 day suspension. Ive since reported other swear words - f words thinly veiled - nothing. I used to think the mods were unbiased. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Charles Anthony, would you mind explaining to me why you keep deleting my posts where I call Bush Cheney out on his irrelevant comments about Canadians not being able to vote in US elections? We have a US section on this forum and nobody in their right mind confuses our discussion with an ability to vote in US elections. HIs comments stating the obvious are therefore irrelevant. And given that he only says these things to Democrat supporting Canadian posters (never Republican supporting posters), he is obviously trolling in the sense that his only objective is to inflame. I don't understand why you allow it to go on in the first place but even more so, why do you delete posts that do point out that he is trolling? It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Smallc Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 It's up to the moderators to determine trolling. We can't say it. That's unfortunate actually.
BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 In the post that got deleted I specifically said he's being 'deliberately inflammatory'. Yet I got deleted... for the second time. Which is fine, I'm just trying to understand the rationale as to why I'm the one being censored yet he's allowed to keep posting comments that are completely irrelevant to the topic and thus against forum rules. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Hal 9000 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Charles Anthony, would you mind explaining to me why you keep deleting my posts where I call Bush Cheney out on his irrelevant comments about Canadians not being able to vote in US elections? We have a US section on this forum and nobody in their right mind confuses our discussion with an ability to vote in US elections. HIs comments stating the obvious are therefore irrelevant. And given that he only says these things to Democrat supporting Canadian posters (never Republican supporting posters), he is obviously trolling in the sense that his only objective is to inflame. I don't understand why you allow it to go on in the first place but even more so, why do you delete posts that do point out that he is trolling? No, he trolls all of us. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 True but on this specific issue of 'you're not voting in the election' I have yet to see him say anything of the sort to Republican-supporting Canadians. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) True but on this specific issue of 'you're not voting in the election' I have yet to see him say anything of the sort to Republican-supporting Canadians. Sorry, but this is a statement of fact unless you are a U.S. citizen, registered to vote, non-felon, yada, yada, yada. The same is true for any non-U.S. citizens that "support" any American candidate or political party. I have always wondered what Canadian "support" actually means with respect to a U.S. election. What would it mean if I "supported" Justin Trudeau as a non-citizen ? Whenever any member "calls Bush_Cheney out", they always get what they wish for. Edited February 5, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Charles Anthony, would you mind explaining to me why you keep deleting my posts where I call Bush Cheney out on his irrelevant comments about Canadians not being able to vote in US elections? We have a US section on this forum and nobody in their right mind confuses our discussion with an ability to vote in US elections. HIs comments stating the obvious are therefore irrelevant. And given that he only says these things to Democrat supporting Canadian posters (never Republican supporting posters), he is obviously trolling in the sense that his only objective is to inflame. I don't understand why you allow it to go on in the first place but even more so, why do you delete posts that do point out that he is trolling? How many times have I thought the exact same thing. I'll pop some corn and see how/if you get a reply.
Hal 9000 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Sorry, but this is a statement of fact unless you are a U.S. citizen, registered to vote, non-felon, yada, yada, yada. The same is true for any non-U.S. citizens that "support" any American candidate or political party. I have always wondered what Canadian "support" actually means with respect to a U.S. election. What would it mean if I "supported" Justin Trudeau as a non-citizen ? Whenever any member "calls Bush_Cheney out", they always get what they wish for. US poiltics does have an effect on Canadians, in fact, US politics has an effect on many countries around the world, therefore we are quite in our right to comment. However, why you talk about Canadians (and Canadian politics) when our policies mean absolutely nothing to americans is quite strange. With 40K posts, mostly bashing Canadians, I can't imagine that you ever get out and enjoy your wonderful country any more than I do. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Big Guy Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 The success of any anonymous bulletin board (like any bookie) is "action". You increase and/or maintain action or participation through confrontation. For confrontation, you require one or two (or more) individual posters who incite, aggravate and generally make a nuisance of themselves. A successful board will have to nurture them and if a board does not have such - then they create them. Henceforth we have bush_cheney2004, Argus and Rue. I cannot believe that people with those kinds of views and attitudes really exist but have been created by the owners of this board, keep the conversations going and consequently have to be given leeway if they are expected to perform their function. These fictitious avatars could never represent real rational people but do serve to keep things "stirred up" on this successful board. I congratulate the owners and administrators of this board on your successful business plan. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) US poiltics does have an effect on Canadians, in fact, US politics has an effect on many countries around the world, therefore we are quite in our right to comment. However, why you talk about Canadians (and Canadian politics) when our policies mean absolutely nothing to americans is quite strange. So what ? Comment all you want. Canadian politics is the most boring on the planet, but methinks that most Canadians would still find it strange that "muricans" or other foreigners are bloviating about your election process and political candidates. I provide the exact same, cross border service, free of charge. With 40K posts, mostly bashing Canadians, I can't imagine that you ever get out and enjoy your wonderful country any more than I do. Alas, there are very few Americans here to return so much of the same love for Canada, so I do my best. Edited February 5, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) The idea seems to be, from what I have read from the admin, that trolls are not to be responded to. Just reported. It's not an easy thing. I, personally, have never reported anyone, on any site. Even an obvious troll, such as Big Guy's post above mine, here, would not get me into reporting mode. But if I answered it in the manner I felt it deserved an answer, I would stand a good chance of being deleted. It's just the way it is. Edited February 5, 2016 by bcsapper
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