On Guard for Thee Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 Personally, I see absolutely nothing wrong with BC's posts. I don't think a majority can understand the points he makes, so in their simple minds it coms across as trolling. How long have you been around this board?
socialist Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 How long have you been around this board? A few years. I honestly believe people like you can seethe brilliance in his posts. It's takes a keen eye and a sharp mind. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
kraychik Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 A few years. I honestly believe people like you can seethe brilliance in his posts. It's takes a keen eye and a sharp mind. I'm starting to think you're trolling.
socialist Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 I'm starting to think you're trolling. Not at all. I find BC entertaining. That's my opinion, and if that makes me a troll, then so be it. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 A few years. I honestly believe people like you can seethe brilliance in his posts. It's takes a keen eye and a sharp mind. I see occasional posts that make sense. I also see that many of the trolling comments that have arisen are well founded.
socialist Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 I see occasional posts that make sense. I also see that many of the trolling comments that have arisen are well founded. Oh well, I guess we disagree. I'm really not concerned about it. People like to respond to him, even his most ardent accusers, so in reality, I don't see a troll. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 Oh well, I guess we disagree. I'm really not concerned about it. People like to respond to him, even his most ardent accusers, so in reality, I don't see a troll. A lot of those responses seem similar and point in one direction. Hence the discussion.
Argus Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Posted August 23, 2015 "the American" presumes upon the displeasure he inflicts... I suggest that most view the ongoing overt and purposeful trolling as nothing more than an intrusion that is purposely intended to derail threads and legitimate active/ongoing discussion; that is purposely intended to bury the posts of members (many involving significant research by members), so as to limit their view towards encouraging legitimate discussion. The nerve of him! That's YOUR job! "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 I see occasional posts that make sense. I also see that many of the trolling comments that have arisen are well founded. And when these concerns flair up he does tone it down for a day or two so there is that. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Charles Anthony Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 A few years. I honestly believe people like you can seethe brilliance in his posts. It's takes a keen eye and a sharp mind.They have a choice: - ignore what offends/goes over their head or - politely ask for an explanation. Some folks refuse to do either. That is weird. Except that "here" is actually in America....Texas to be exact.What difference, at this point, does it make?!? MG's post about trolls is pretty much how I define the word as well. It's the intentional usage of inflammatory material (even if they don't actually believe what they are saying), because their end goal is a perverted sense of reward from angering perfect strangers on the internet.You can not always presume somebody is being disingenuous. None of you hold a monopoly on the truth. Therein lies the heart of this nebulous dispute over the definition of trolling. But you're either a neocon, or have a neocon beliefs, or not. What if you call someone a neocon but the label is pretty accurate to their beliefs?I reckon my words would sow confusion. Labels such as "neocon" are vague and their use demonstrates that nobody holds a monopoly on the definition. Surely we can agree that some folks use the term "neocon" in a derogatory manner. Calling somebody a neo-con is either inflammatory or confusing. Well, I guess you're just a better person. You're missing the point. Trolling is ... ... clearly debatable and there is no agreement on any specific instance of trolling. You are missing the point. Defining Trolling is inherently a fool's errand without any poetic value. What matters is agreement upon how to deal with the perception of trolling. Focusing their collective malice on a single "American" member only highlights a deep seated, personal animus.Meh. It just looks like a turf war to me. So let him explain it... just what is trolling on MLW? The best way to do so, in the face of the member 'body of weight' subjective call, is for the moderator to explain his subjective determination of what constitutes trolling by pointedly stating why the "American" is not trolling... by using posting examples to that end. If this does not occur,I have a better idea..... wait for it..... You report whatever-you-perceive-to-be-trolling thusly: "Dear mod staff, this post is trolling because...." and you explain your reasoning. The purpose of trolling is to incite such things, so yeah, it was the trolling that got that topic shuttered.Whatever happened to the "It takes 2 to tango." brush-off? If certain posters continue to incite certain responses (and not because they are bringing anything new or challenging to the table), doesn't it make sense to excise that cancer?Uh.... no. Folks get offended at new and or challenging commentary all of the time --- so much so that it almost seems fake. Some of you folks get offended at the most inane and trivial things. What is the purpose of that?? I agree with Cybercoma & Argus. And Argus' description of trolling is pretty accurate.Let us discuss such accuracy. Maybe you can answer the question that Argus refused to answer: Can we agree that the word "idiot" is either inflammatory and or ambiguous?? HINT: That is a yes or no question. Charles, your advice to us is to ignore the trolling. Good advice, but ........ sometimes you guys are wrong with your allegations of trolling. It really is that simple. Just because 99% of the population believes something to be true that does not make it true. False perception and fantasy make the world go around -- that is a fact if there ever was one. Popular concepts of nationality are peculiar. Criticism from a different national viewpoint is hardly objective. Most folks use their own national viewpoints to discuss national issues. This engenders debate but debate from another national viewpoint is not ONE opinion. Rather, it is a set of opinions on different issues that calls into question issues on a different level. We review all reports to make sure that the opinions stated are in context and are not insults but move the conversation forward. ------ Does the deliberate dissemination of misinformation in the forum offend you? There is nothing in the forum rules or guidelines concerning this. We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
G Huxley Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 If you see a person's politics as being neocon politics why can't a person say it and call them on it? How about neoliberal?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 ....What difference, at this point, does it make?!? It never made any difference, but serves as a useful microcosm for the CanAm relationship at many levels. Highlighting this fact serves my purpose and message in this regard. If Texas is good enough for George W. Bush, it is certainly good enough to host a Canadian web forum. Economics trumps Virtue.
Black Dog Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) (Trolling is) ... clearly debatable and there is no agreement on any specific instance of trolling. You are missing the point. Defining Trolling is inherently a fool's errand without any poetic value. What matters is agreement upon how to deal with the perception of trolling. Well shit, then why have a specific section in the forum guidelines for it? Why did you recently take me to task for what you claimed was trolling if you can't even define what it is? Whatever happened to the "It takes 2 to tango." brush-off? If the instigator and retaliator were both being dealt with in an equitable fashion, you might have a point. But clearly they aren't. THAT'S the point. Uh.... no. Folks get offended at new and or challenging commentary all of the time --- so much so that it almost seems fake.Some of you folks get offended at the most inane and trivial things. What is the purpose of that?? Again, it's clear you see the onus is on people to not respond to trolls as opposed to putting the onus on people not to troll. But then, you don't seem to believe in trolling (except when you're deleting posts for that reason), so I'm not sure how to read this. Edited August 24, 2015 by Black Dog
waldo Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) note to moderator: you have now deleted 2 of my posts responding to "the American". As you can read, my second iteration was a considerably sanitized version of the first... but apparently, still not acceptable to you. Rather than continuing to give cover to "the American"... please send me a PM and describe just how you would like the wording to read - thanks in advance. Edited August 24, 2015 by waldo
Charles Anthony Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 note to moderator: you have now deletedYes, that is correct. They are thread drift and you should know better. Start a new thread. No, we are not going to do your homework. If you see a person's politics as being neocon politics why can't a person say it and call them on it? How about neoliberal?Oh, they are different? Answered here anyways. Euler seems to get it. SHORT VERSION: Nobody holds a monopoly on the meaning of those labels --- more precisely, on any kind of labels. Thus, the use of nebulous labels sows confusion --- at best. HINT: It is physically impossible to "see" a person's politics. All you can "see" is what a person writes. Focus on what a person writes instead of focusing on labeling people based on invisible concepts that you believe you can see. If that is too much for you, define your word "neocon" and start a thread to see if folks agree with your definition. Make sure to include a poll question such as "Every single person, past, present and future, agrees with my definition..... True? or False?" I am confident that in short order, the membership here will lead you to the answers you seek. We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
waldo Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 Yes, that is correct. They are thread drift and you should know better. Start a new thread. No, we are not going to do your homework. I need some of your guidance/clarification here... the post from the guy, "the American" responding to your direct question, isn't thread drift, but my post questioning his same post assertion that his "routine", is nothing more than his intent to highlight the (as I paraphrase), "CanAm relationship... to reinforce that, to him, Canadian's declare their identity by/with everything that is American"... that post of mine is thread drift? I trust that you will read the sincerity in my post request for clarification... and will not presume that I am asking you to do... my homework!
Bob Macadoo Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 I trust that you will read the sincerity in my post request for clarification... and will not presume that I am asking you to do... my homework! I think you know the answer to that. I've decided after my latest suspension for responding to trolls is to follow the rules......report...ignore....rinse.....repeat.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 I think you know the answer to that. I've decided after my latest suspension for responding to trolls is to follow the rules......report...ignore....rinse.....repeat. I wonder how often the head troll has been suspended. Any guesses?
Bob Macadoo Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 I wonder how often the head troll has been suspended. Any guesses?You would have to be upset with the internet traffic of conflict created to entertain suspending him. Traffic I'm sure would drop 20% without him .
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 You would have to be upset with the internet traffic of conflict created to entertain suspending him. Traffic I'm sure would drop 20% without him . I certainly see your point. Could we be talking some sort of collusion here?
Bob Macadoo Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 I certainly see your point. Could we be talking some sort of collusion here? I've said too much......wouldn't want to be tried for forum heresy.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 I've said too much......wouldn't want to be tried for forum heresy. a wink and a nudge.
Moonlight Graham Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 Let us discuss such accuracy. Maybe you can answer the question that Argus refused to answer: Can we agree that the word "idiot" is either inflammatory and or ambiguous?? HINT: That is a yes or no question. Yes. "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
BubberMiley Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 How about libtard? Can we agree that is either ambiguous or inflammatory? How about saying someone has a derangement syndrome? That's clearly just meant to inflame and it otherwise means nothing. Is this too off topic? Should I start another thread? "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
cybercoma Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 Please, let's all stop pretending that we're trying to have civilized discourse here. Everyone and I mean everyone insults people on this forum and does their best to cloak it in a way that won't get them banned. That's the silly little game we play here and I'm tired of pretending that this isn't what's going on. So if you've noticed that I've been more inflammatory lately, that's exactly why. Because this little charade is patently absurd and next to nothing has been done to address it. Therefore, I assume that decorum is no longer the focus of the moderators here and I've thrown it out the window. Report and ignore is pointless. Fight fire with fire and burn it all to the ground.
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