Boeing 777 Disappears Near Vietnam

[WWWTT]

Here's another link.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/mh370-live-first-pictures-child-3245935

There's other bogus links/articles popping up now on this.

Included in this is an add for a used Boeing Air Malaysia plane (or something like that for 15M)

I think that whoever came up with this and the Onion articles are a bunch of heartless people that have crossed the line!

Please don't knowingly re post these articles if you come across them because they are in very poor taste and very disrespectful to the victims family/friends!

WWWTT

[On Guard for Thee]

I've been trying to avoid any theories up till yesterday or so.

But it seems that the conspiracy theories (if you can call them that) are coming from governments and so called reputable news sources!

Look at that link MH provided about a UFO!

When a UFO from one witness starts becoming evidence, don't blame the people trying to figure this one out!

WWWTT

I take your point on not speculating, especially on this one. It seems as soon as I've leaned one way, some new info comes out that sends me in another. One thing I haven't heard much about so far is who's voice was it on the radio making the last "All right and good night" comm. Wouldn't tell you everything but it would help sort out the hijacking question.

[Michael Hardner]

That is the power of the mass media through the internet. A lie will travel around the world a couple times before the truth even gets its pants on.

I guess you're saying that that's a good thing ? Otherwise, I don't know why a person who defends sites like Natural News would care.

[Michael Hardner]

I've been trying to avoid any theories up till yesterday or so.

You posted a link with a headline that pointed to 'supernatural causes', so your position as a sensationalist on this thread is now assured.

Look at that link MH provided about a UFO!

My link from UPI stated that a New Zealand sailor had claimed to see a fireball on the plane's route. I'm not sure why people who post fringe sites seem to ache for acceptance while simultaneously stating that mainstream news media sites aren't perfect. I just don't get that.

[bjre]

And what do they do with the other 261 people? What's your tin foil hat theory?

The theory is beyond my imagination and knowledge. I didn't even know there is a place Diego Garcia before read such kind of theories.

As for the rest 261 people, I don't think they would have good luck if the theroy were true, Just imagin it according to a 1978 movie "Capricorn One".

[Wilber]

The theory is beyond my imagination and knowledge. I didn't even know there is a place Diego Garcia before read such kind of theories.

As for the rest 261 people, I don't think they would have good luck if the theroy were true, Just imagin it according to a 1978 movie "Capricorn One".

There is a place called Diego Garcia but so what. It is 1857 NM (3440 KM) from Kuala Lumpur. It is only a couple of hundred miles closer than Okinawa. and farther away than Taipei, so maybe you should be asking this question. How did those supposed American fighters get there? There are no US bases close by and their nearest aircraft carrier is based in Japan.

Edited March 17, 2014 by Wilber

[Topaz]

Do you think that young crazy guy of North Korea would so something like hijack a plane?

[Wilber]

Do you think that young crazy guy of North Korea would so something like hijack a plane?

Why? Even if he might, why would he pick on a Malaysian aircraft filled with mostly Chinese nationals?

Edited March 17, 2014 by Wilber

[TimG]

I was thinking of this and I had a few observations:

1) Post 9/11 pilots are supposed to enclosed in an armored cabin with instructions to keep the door locked no matter how many be-headings are going on outside the the door. So it is implausible that any terrorist got into the cockpit.

2) If there was a terrorist attack from the passenger cabin the first thing the pilots would have done is contact the nearest airport control. That did not happen. So I think we can rule out terrorist attack from the cabin.

3) A bomb that exploded suddenly would have taken the plane down immediately. There would be no evidence of a ghost plane changing course.

Given these facts the most plausible explanation is the plane was taken over by its pilots for unknown reasons.

Does our resident retired pilot want to weigh in on the above?

Edited March 17, 2014 by TimG

[On Guard for Thee]

I was thinking of this and I had a few observations:

1) Post 9/11 pilots are supposed to enclosed in an armored cabin with instructions to keep the door locked no matter how many be-headings are going on outside the the door. So it is implausible that any terrorist got into the cockpit.

2) If there was a terrorist attack from the passenger cabin the first thing the pilots would have done is contact the nearest airport control. That did not happen. So I think we can rule out terrorist attack from the cabin.

3) A bomb that exploded suddenly would have taken the plane down immediately. There would be no evidence of a ghost plane changing course.

Given these facts the most plausible explanation is the plane was taken over by its pilots for unknown reasons.

Does our resident retired pilot want to weigh in on the above?

Apparently this crew had a habit of allowing pax into the cockpit even though tht is highly frowned on with most airlines. Having said that I have myself witnessed pretty sloppy cockpit security on certain airlines which will remain nameless save to say they were all based in the mid east.

What has me scratching my head (again) is who's voice was it who said good bye to KL radar, when it seems that some tracking systems had already been shut down. Also the reported climb to 45k feet or so. What was that all about? If you want to hide from primary radar you go down, not up. Suffocate the pax?, maybe. That would certainly stop them from using cell phones. Usually hijackers have demands, we haven't heard any of that yet. If the pilot(s) of this flight hijacked themselves so to speak, then what is the motive. I suppose you could get a pretty good buck for such a plane/missile from Al Queada.

So much to know, so little time.

[Wilber]

The cockpit door is quite secure but as pointed out, the cockpit is only as secure as the procedures used to keep it that way.

[Rue]

On Guard... yah I was wondering with a hijacking how is it not one cell phone. Now you say at 45,000 feet cell phones do not work. But eventually would they not once the plane had to climb down? That is why I am having a hard time believing it's a hijacking. The notion not one cell phone leaked out is incomprehensible unless the passengers had all their cell phones taken away (which is improbable) or the plane was blown up high altitude over a part of the ocean known to be very deep. Even if the plane was coming down in a suicide dive a cell phone would have picked up the screaming and sent it one would think...comment? Yah I am hearing all kinds of theories about it went off track, the pilot said good night camly it went up to high altitude, etc., but the cell phone angle still remains unanswered.

To the one poster who said do not planes go low to the ground to avoid radar, yah sometimes-but if they go very high as well, no planes fly up high and so they would not show up on radar either. Flying very low would trigger passenger suspicion and reaction.

How about this theory to add to the rest-maybe they gassed everyone in plane and put them to sleep.

I am stretching.

[GostHacked]

Do you think that young crazy guy of North Korea would so something like hijack a plane?

No, but NK has been doing a lot of missile tests, and have been launching them in the direction to splash into the waters where the plane went missing. NK was scolded when they did a rocket launch a couple weeks ago without warning anyone. Putting civilian aircraft at risk. This is a more plausible scenario in my view as to what happened with this aircraft.

[Wilber]

NK's lauches have all been into the Sea of Japan or North Pacific. Any launches toward Malaysia or the Indian Ocean would take them through Chinese airspace.

[Michael Hardner]

The notion not one cell phone leaked out is incomprehensible unless the passengers had all their cell phones taken away (which is improbable)

Why is that improbable ?

[Michael Hardner]

Compared to what ? Any expectation that Malaysia would conform to some other cultural norm is misplaced. The plane is missing...it did not "disappear". It has happened before... for aircraft and ships....many times.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2014/03/the-story-of-flight-370-changes-again.html

Context on the Malaysian media relations. See paragraph 3.

[bjre]

There is a place called Diego Garcia but so what. It is 1857 NM (3440 KM) from Kuala Lumpur. It is only a couple of hundred miles closer than Okinawa. and farther away than Taipei, so maybe you should be asking this question. How did those supposed American fighters get there? There are no US bases close by and their nearest aircraft carrier is based in Japan.

http://greatgameindia.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/mh370-mystery-suspicious-cargo-death-of-2-ex-navy-seals-aboard-mv-maersk-alabama/

As to how the US Navy was able to divert Flight 370 to its Diego Garcia base, this report says, appears to have been accomplished remotely as this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft is equipped with a fly-by-wire (FBW) system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with an electronic interface allowing it to be controlled like any drone-type aircraft.

However, this report notes, though this aircraft can be controlled remotely, the same cannot be said of its communication systems which can only be shut down manually; and in the case of Flight 370, its data reporting system was shut down at 1:07 a.m., followed by its transponder (which transmits location and altitude) which was shut down at 1:21 a.m.

Malaysia Airliner Communications Shut Down Separately, US Officials Say

Malaysian-Airlines-MH370-Hidden-in-Plain-SightHowever in the previous article on GreatGameIndia we already covered on how that could be possible. Read more on it here – Malaysian Airlines MH370 911 Mystery – Hidden in Plain Sight

What remains “perplexing” about this incident, GRU analysts in this report say, are why the American mainstream media outlets have yet to demand from the Obama regime the radar plots and satellite images of the Indian Ocean and South China Sea regions as the US military covers this entire area from Diego Garcia like no other seas in the world due to its vital shipping and air lanes.

Most sadly, this report concludes, the US is actually able to conceal the reason(s) for the “disappearance” of Flight 370 as they have already done so after the events of 11 September 2001 when the then Bush regime “disappeared” American Airlines Flight 77 and its 64 passengers and crew after falsely claiming it hit the Pentagon, but which was confirmed by the CNN News Service not to have happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1oCqqn_uOiY

[bush_cheney2004]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2014/03/the-story-of-flight-370-changes-again.html

Context on the Malaysian media relations. See paragraph 3.

Thanks for the link, but after reading paragraph 3, I am convinced that the Malaysian standard may actually be better than western "cultural norms". If they don't know, then just say so. Don't let the press drive the story. I'm sure you can recount any number of wrong and waffling press briefings coming from "western" officials.

[Michael Hardner]

If they don't know, then just say so.

I didn't get that at all. I seem to read a lot of incorrect/retracted statements. Now, I'm getting those through the media prism but they do tend to cite Malaysian officials.

I'm not any clearer on whose to blame - and, yes, I do want to point fingers for this one.

[bush_cheney2004]

I didn't get that at all. I seem to read a lot of incorrect/retracted statements. Now, I'm getting those through the media prism but they do tend to cite Malaysian officials.

I'm not any clearer on whose to blame - and, yes, I do want to point fingers for this one.

Why ? It won't make the plane come back any faster ? Sometimes the standard media kit damage control doesn't work.

We don't have a (wide) body (yet).

I like this ironic quip:

...(A spokesman for the Taliban in Afghanistan and a Pakistani Taliban commander told Reuters that they didn’t know where Flight 370 was, either. “We wish we had an opportunity to hijack such a plane,” the commander said.) There are holes in radar—just when one wouldn’t mind some surveillance, it turns out to be lacking

Edited March 17, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[TimG]

Now you say at 45,000 feet cell phones do not work. But eventually would they not once the plane had to climb down?

So how far out to sea do you think land based cell networks reach? 1km? 5km? Whatever it is, it is not far enough to reach a plane crashing in the ocean.

It is also possible that the terrorists immediately murdered all of the passengers (why keep them alive if the plan was to crash the plane into something?).

In short, the lack of cell phone calls tells us nothing useful.

[guyser]

So how far out to sea do you think land based cell networks reach? 1km? 5km? Whatever it is, it is not far enough to reach a plane crashing in the ocean.

80 k .

It is also possible that the terrorists immediately murdered all of the passengers (why keep them alive if the plan was to crash the plane into something?).

That doesnt make any sense.

all 239 of them?

Something tells me after the first dozen are killed the rest decide to fight back.

In short, the lack of cell phone calls tells us nothing useful.

Actually it tells us a lot.

Such as...why didnt anyone send/call/text anything?

[Bonam]

80 k .

That is so not true. You're lucky to get cell reception 2-3 km off shore, let alone 80 km.

Lack of cell calls says nothing other than that the people that were on the plane, were on the plane.

[Michael Hardner]

Why ? It won't make the plane come back any faster ?

The endless yammering, accented by new facts that are then retracted. It's annoying to me. I don't know why.

[On Guard for Thee]

80 k .

That doesnt make any sense.

all 239 of them?

Something tells me after the first dozen are killed the rest decide to fight back.

Actually it tells us a lot.

Such as...why didnt anyone send/call/text anything?

Of course it makes no sense. If you kill all the pax you have no more bargaining chips. If suicide is all you want, why fly around for 7 hours?