waldo Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 And what if not everyone ignores the troll? Perhaps some find said troll engaging in a given subject mater……or others like a debate boarding on argument if they’re passionate on a given issue…… None the less, if you find a given member to be a troll, and choose not to engage, what prevents you from discussing the given topic with other members, well ignoring the proclaimed troll? As to follow on effects with other members, have you considered that others are put off by others and not just the identified troll? As I think was mentioned by Charles, every member here could be construed a troll at times. troll apologist! Carry on. Quote
waldo Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 'Zactly !! I am presently ignoring several hostile members regardless of their troll index. This forum has less vitriol and hateful slime attacks because of it. Should have done it years ago. except you're not! The fever in which you strive to replace posts with yours is quite humourous... you've just got to be the "on-top" visible post in the main/sub forum display pages! You just have to. "hateful slime attacks" - that's gold, more real gold! Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 'Zactly !! I am presently ignoring several hostile members regardless of their troll index.May I be included on this list? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
WestCoastRunner Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 May I be included on this list? hehe. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Bob Macadoo Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 If Charles & Greg state trolling is a subjective term in this fiefdom, well also prescribing a cure for those in need, it’s seems the course of action going forward for the victims of trolling is clear…..pull-up your big-boy/girl pants and ignore the mischievous troll so as to avoid future problems.I guess if C&G's goal is to maintain all viewpoints (or trolling habits) then that is their decision. Of course if the result of that decision is lowered member participation....so be that too. They put a thread out about improvements to bring more people in......they are told why you are losing members and not getting recommendations......tell people to put on their big boy pants essentially......not the smartest business model.....but......heh. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 There would be even fewer members if the mods suspended or banned people because of numerous, very subjective reports of "trolling". Members have been banned for very specific and repeated behaviours that violate forum rules, regardless of fixation on "trolls". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bob Macadoo Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 There would be even fewer members if the mods suspended or banned people because of numerous, very subjective reports of "trolling". Members have been banned for very specific and repeated behaviours that violate forum rules, regardless of fixation on "trolls". Of course there aren't numerous though are there.....isn't that right jbg? Quote
Big Guy Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 Perhaps there could be a separate section on this board that might be labelled; "Trolling, Baiting, Personal Attacks and Other Adolescent Like Posting". Any poster could initiate a starting insult at another poster just to start a thread. Also, the moderator could transfer appropriate posts into this section and those wishing to participate could continue to post in that section and insult, demean and ridicule each other. That might clear the rest of the sections for those interested in honest dissertation. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Shady Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) Not gonna happen....diversity of views is far more important and interesting than keeping someone as a member. His is just the usual fallback position of his ilk and ideology. Silence those who's views you don't like and/or don't agree with. See any conservative speaker at a college or university. Actually, see any conservative speaker anywhere now. Edited June 21, 2014 by Shady Quote
jbg Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 Of course there aren't numerous though are there.....isn't that right jbg? Could you rephrase? Your question is a bit tough to follow. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 His is just the usual fallback position of his ilk and ideology. Silence those who's views you don't like and/or don't agree with. See any conservative speaker at a college or university. Actually, see any conservative speaker anywhere now. Agreed...this is consistent with continuing to favour personal attacks and insults while pretending to have great virtue in ridding this forum of "trolls". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 troll apologist! Carry on. Why would you say that? My position would be the same if you were the target of the “Great MLW troll hunt”, and one could hardly call me a Waldo apologist. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 I guess if C&G's goal is to maintain all viewpoints (or trolling habits) then that is their decision. Of course if the result of that decision is lowered member participation....so be that too. They put a thread out about improvements to bring more people in......they are told why you are losing members and not getting recommendations......tell people to put on their big boy pants essentially......not the smartest business model.....but......heh. But, for example, say the target of said ongoing troll hunt is of a certain nationality, and sits namely on one side of the political fence, well his accusers come from a different political persuasion, if said troll was slain, could new or current perspective members construed a level of political bias on this forum? One has to ask, if said “troll” is banned, who will then face the “wraith” of the troll hunting mob? Quote
Argus Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) One has to ask, if said “troll” is banned, who will then face the “wraith” of the troll hunting mob? There are several here. I'm sure there'd still be happy hunting. Of course, the difficulty in defining a troll is determining whether the person in question is posting crap just to stir things up, or because they're a wack job, too stupid, too extremist, too off-their-meds to realize that the crap they're posting IS crap. Edited June 22, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 Ignoring a troll does not make the problem go away. What is hard to understand about that? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 There are several here. I'm sure there'd still be happy hunting. Of course, the difficulty in defining a troll is determining whether the person in question is posting crap just to stir things up, or because they're a wack job, too stupid, too extremist, too off-their-meds to realize that the crap they're posting IS crap. As I said, it’s a subjective term…….One person’s troll can be another person’s valued contributor. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 Ignoring a troll does not make the problem go away. What is hard to understand about that? How do we define who is a troll? What is hard to understand about that? Quote
waldo Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 How do we define who is a troll? What is hard to understand about that? we (you, me or any other MLW member) don't define it... per MLW forum rules, "We define "trolling" as a message that serves no constructive purpose and is likely to cause offence or arguments." the subjectivity side of that MLW forum rules definition then enters! The board moderator has been asked for his subjective definition; i.e., the interpretation of how he understands that rule and how he applies it... or how he's been told to understand/apply it. If you know what this is, please update me/others... it's been suggested this has been provided... I don't know where as I either don't recall it/or never saw it (whatever "it" is!) Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 we (you, me or any other MLW member) don't define it... per MLW forum rules, "We define "trolling" as a message that serves no constructive purpose and is likely to cause offence or arguments." the subjectivity side of that MLW forum rules definition then enters! The board moderator has been asked for his subjective definition; i.e., the interpretation of how he understands that rule and how he applies it... or how he's been told to understand/apply it. If you know what this is, please update me/others... it's been suggested this has been provided... I don't know where as I either don't recall it/or never saw it (whatever "it" is!) Who defines what message "serves no constructive purpose"? If one looks at any MLW members posts, one could find posts best described as nothing more than banter, with other posts described as offensive and argumentative……Who decides on said subjective rulings? Clearly the moderator in his own fashion. Quote
waldo Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 more of your banality!... and your use of "said" is most annoying... carry on! Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 more of your banality!... and your use of "said" is most annoying... carry on! If you feel my points are simplistic, surely you should have no issue in addressing them. Quote
Shady Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 How do we define who is a troll? What is hard to understand about that? Exactly. It's difficult to define, because it's very subjective. You almost have to police the thoughts of the poster, and subscribe a motive for what they post. It's essentially a guess. I don't think this forum needs thought police. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 Exactly. It's difficult to define, because it's very subjective. You almost have to police the thoughts of the poster, and subscribe a motive for what they post. It's essentially a guess. I don't think this forum needs thought police. Nor do I.....There has to be some level of moderated decorum, in my view that would include the deletion of advertisements/spam and individuals that posted potentially libellous statements….beyond that, Lord of the Flies… Quote
Smallc Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 The problem is this...yes BC is a troll....but not always....sometimes his contributions are extremely valuable to a discussion...but...not always. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 The problem is this...yes BC is a troll....but not always....sometimes his contributions are extremely valuable to a discussion...but...not always. In your opinion of course......could not the same be said for all members? Quote
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