waldo Posted November 5, 2013 Report Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) Not really, at least when it comes to his point on deductibles... no - details of the woman's junk insurance plan were provided... in fact a link to the full plan details is also provided. More pointedly, as the article clearly and plainly leads with, "If she had ever tried to use it for anything more than an occasional doctor visit or inexpensive prescription, she would have ended up with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical debt." do you equate no viable coverage/low deductible to anything other than... "junk insurance"? Edited November 5, 2013 by waldo Quote
Spiderfish Posted November 5, 2013 Report Posted November 5, 2013 do you equate no viable coverage/low deductible to anything other than... "junk insurance"? I equate a total of $6300.00 dollars in deductible and out of pocket expenses before insurance cuts in as something other than "low deductible". I also equate the phrase" if you like your plan, you can keep it" to mean just that. Quote
eyeball Posted November 5, 2013 Report Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) Another Obamacare horror story debunked Is that better than her current plan? Yes, by a mile. Factor in the premium savings, and it's hard to deny that she's still ahead. Which is still far behind any public health care system I've heard of, seen or experienced first hand in Canada. These poor Americans are just no good at socialism. They just don't seem to get it at all. Edited November 5, 2013 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted November 5, 2013 Report Posted November 5, 2013 I equate a total of $6300.00 dollars in deductible and out of pocket expenses before insurance cuts in as something other than "low deductible". I also equate the phrase" if you like your plan, you can keep it" to mean just that. Are you suggesting the government should force insurance companies to keep in place the plans they had several years back and make no changes to them at any point in time, ever? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted November 5, 2013 Report Posted November 5, 2013 Are you suggesting the government should force insurance companies to keep in place the plans they had several years back and make no changes to them at any point in time, ever? It's actually the insurance companies telling the government what to do. Insurance companies are the ones influencing the laws for their benefit. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 5, 2013 Report Posted November 5, 2013 Here's a really good story on the website debacle: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/16/meet-cgi-federal-the-company-behind-the-botched-launch-of-healthcare-gov/ Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Spiderfish Posted November 5, 2013 Report Posted November 5, 2013 Are you suggesting the government should force insurance companies to keep in place the plans they had several years back and make no changes to them at any point in time, ever? No, I'm not suggesting anything other than Obama's statement that he repeated over and over while selling this thing to the public seems a bit disingenuous...particularly to people who had existing policies in place who are now being told it doesn't qualify because it's "junk insurance" as perceived by some. Obviously if they were happy with their plan, they didn't percieve it as "junk insurance". Quote
Bonam Posted November 6, 2013 Report Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) No, I'm not suggesting anything other than Obama's statement that he repeated over and over while selling this thing to the public seems a bit disingenuous I think that's the real problem... the president really was "selling" this thing, in the real sense of the word. One of his speeches he was like, "call this 1800 number. I repeat, the number is..." It's like... am I watching the president give a speech, or an infomercial? Obama lost all respectability when he turned from president to used car salesman. The product is good! No really, the product is good! Edited November 6, 2013 by Bonam Quote
waldo Posted November 6, 2013 Report Posted November 6, 2013 I think that's the real problem... the president really was "selling" this thing, in the real sense of the word. One of his speeches he was like, "call this 1800 number. I repeat, the number is..." It's like... am I watching the president give a speech, or an infomercial? Obama lost all respectability when he turned from president to used car salesman. The product is good! No really, the product is good! what would you call the GOP/TeaPartee attempts to repeal the law (45+ attempts)... what would you call their attacks against the plan website/rollout? What are they, as you say, "selling"? Quote
waldo Posted November 6, 2013 Report Posted November 6, 2013 Obviously if they were happy with their plan, they didn't percieve it as "junk insurance". your declared "happiness", for the ~ 3-to-5% of Americans actually affected in this regard, presumes upon their never actually having to rely upon that junk insurance for anything significant. Good to know you're also in the ShadyCamp advocating junk insurance plans for affected Americans. Quote
Bonam Posted November 6, 2013 Report Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) what would you call the GOP/TeaPartee attempts to repeal the law (45+ attempts)... what would you call their attacks against the plan website/rollout? What are they, as you say, "selling"? Umm, I've made my views on the religious zealots of the tea party pretty clear, I find them dangerous and ignorant. Their attempts to repeal the law 45+ times rather than attending to the business of government infantile and counterproductive. Their shutdown of government futile and destructive. Happy? Unfortunately for America, even as its right wing suffers from a wave of craziness and idiocy, its left wing suffers from a weak and incompetent president. I sincerely hope I never again hear a president advertising a 1-800 number. Edited November 6, 2013 by Bonam Quote
Spiderfish Posted November 6, 2013 Report Posted November 6, 2013 your declared "happiness", for the ~ 3-to-5% of Americans actually affected in this regard, presumes upon their never actually having to rely upon that junk insurance for anything significant. Good to know you're also in the ShadyCamp advocating junk insurance plans for affected Americans. Presume what you want about 3-5% of Americans reliance on what you consider junk insurance. Presume what I declare, who‘s camp I‘m in and what I advocate for. Many Americans presumed that Obama meant what he said when he told them they could keep their plan... Quote
Argus Posted November 6, 2013 Report Posted November 6, 2013 Presume what you want about 3-5% of Americans reliance on what you consider junk insurance. Presume what I declare, who‘s camp I‘m in and what I advocate for. Many Americans presumed that Obama meant what he said when he told them they could keep their plan... If it didn't change... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted November 7, 2013 Author Report Posted November 7, 2013 If it didn't change...Yes, because of Obamacare. It's Orwellian, you pass a law forcing plans to change, while at the sametime promising people that they can keep their plans (as long as they don't change). You can't make this sh*t up!!!And now the Obama administration is getting in public arguments with cancer survivors who are losing their health insurance!!! Quote
dre Posted November 7, 2013 Report Posted November 7, 2013 Obama lost all respectability when he turned from president to used car salesman. You have the order wrong. He was a used car salesman FIRST or he never would have became president in the first place. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 7, 2013 Report Posted November 7, 2013 Many Americans presumed that Obama meant what he said when he told them they could keep their plan... Sure but he started saying that before health insurance companies and BOUGHT senators and congressmen were even done writing thing. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to act outraged that a US politician lied to sell a welfare bill for big business to the public? Where the hell have you people been? That is ALL the US government does... PERIOD. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Shady Posted November 7, 2013 Author Report Posted November 7, 2013 Sure but he started saying that before health insurance companies and BOUGHT senators and congressmen were even done writing thing. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to act outraged that a US politician lied to sell a welfare bill for big business to the public? Where the hell have you people been? That is ALL the US government does... PERIOD. But but but...hope n change!? Quote
bleeding heart Posted November 7, 2013 Report Posted November 7, 2013 You have the order wrong. He was a used car salesman FIRST or he never would have became president in the first place. His 2008 campaign won Ad Age's Marketer of the Year Award. Which makes sense...political campaigns are very much exercises in Public Relations, an industry which is joined at the hip with the Advertising Industry. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Wilber Posted November 7, 2013 Report Posted November 7, 2013 R Yes, because of Obamacare. It's Orwellian, you pass a law forcing plans to change, while at the sametime promising people that they can keep their plans (as long as they don't change). You can't make this sh*t up!!! And now the Obama administration is getting in public arguments with cancer survivors who are losing their health insurance!!! How are they losing insurance if companies can no longer refuse them because of pre existing conditions? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
The_Squid Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 $1.11 per month for health insurance seems affordable... http://m.wtae.com/news/pittsburgh-woman-finds-incredible-deal-with-affordable-care-act/-/16915058/22698256/-/12832ohz/-/index.html Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 Apparently the United States electorate decided they liked Obamacare. So go argue against them I guess. Quote
waldo Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 Apparently the United States electorate decided they liked Obamacare. So go argue against them I guess. and just this past week in the last days of the election campaign for Virginia Governor, the TeaPartee/GOP's Cuccinelli, labeled the Virginia election a referendum on Obamacare... apparently so, as Virginia voters kicked Cuccinelli to the curb! About that referendum, hey Cuccinelli? Quote
Shady Posted November 9, 2013 Author Report Posted November 9, 2013 Apparently offering subsidies to people making up to 400% above poverty just isn't enough. The White House is now considering expanding the eligibility to include people earning even more than 400%! I wonder if the CBO has these numbers when the White House claimed it was deficit neutral. Yeah I don't it. Obamacare isn't even a month old and it's already beginning to blow holes all over budget! As predicted. http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/189691-report-white-house-may-widen-o-care-subsidies Quote
Argus Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 Yes, because of Obamacare. It's Orwellian, you pass a law forcing plans to change, while at the sametime promising people that they can keep their plans (as long as they don't change). You can't make this sh*t up!!! The law did not force them to change. In fact, it allowed them to be granfathered if the insurance companies so desired. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 I wish that posting half truths was against the rules.... Quote
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