The Truth About Obamacare

[Argus]

I know people who were quite astonished when they got their cancellation notices. These notices came out of the blue, as they were led to believe that they would be able to keep them.

Cry me a river. They weren't actually insured. They had the kind of insurance that, if it was car insurance, would be cancelled the first time you put in a claim and the claim refused. "Oh, you were DRIVING the car? No, no, that's not allowed under your policy! You're only covered if it sits in the driveway!"

Would we allow people to drive with such insurance? Nope.

[Guest American Woman]

Except...

Except - I didn't claim they did, did I?

[Guest American Woman]

Cry me a river. They weren't actually insured....

Cry you a river? What does any of it have to do with you?

FYI, the fact is, Obama lied. That was my point, and that's a fact. But, yeah. They actually were insured.

They had the kind of insurance that, if it was car insurance, would be cancelled the first time you put in a claim and the claim refused. "Oh, you were DRIVING the car? No, no, that's not allowed under your policy! You're only covered if it sits in the driveway!"

Would we allow people to drive with such insurance? Nope.

Since you're apparently unaware of it, there are different types of car insurance and different levels of car insurance and different deductibles and different standards of car insurance state to state - and it's not even a requirement to have car insurance in New Hampshire. Edited October 30, 2013 by American Woman

[bush_cheney2004]

No, it's not about that. Most people don't understand that a lifetime cap exists,

Nope....the lieftime caps are plain to see and clearly posted on web site accounts for eligibility, membership, annual benefits, and lifetime maximums....when the web site actually works !! If you need more than $1 million in lifetime coverage, you may as well be dead.

[Shady]

Nope....the lieftime caps are plain to see and clearly posted on web site accounts for eligibility, membership, annual benefits, and lifetime maximums....when the web site actually works !! If you need more than $1 million in lifetime coverage, you may as well be dead.

In Canada we don't have to worry about lifetime caps, because at that point, the powers that be will decide you no longer are worthy of treatment, and the plug is pulled.

[waldo]

I talk to actual people I know, I don't just listen to people on the news

Your personal experiences don't speak for the whole

Except - I didn't claim they did, did I?

with the second of the above quotes, MLW member eyeball simply pointed out your contradiction... a continuing one you regularly make through assorted threads. Apparently, your personal experience and anecdotal reference is not open to question/challenge, particularly when you apply it broadly to suggest it is representative of the greater whole. Alternatively, you regularly chastize other MLW members for, rightly or wrongly (in your estimation), applying broader "whole attachment" to statements/claims. It's a very convenient double-standard you regularly apply.

[waldo]

In Canada we don't have to worry about lifetime caps, because at that point, the powers that be will decide you no longer are worthy of treatment, and the plug is pulled.

gasp! Do we have death panels, Shady?

[Shady]

gasp! Do we have death panels, Shady?

You didn't know?

[waldo]

You didn't know?

not to sully this most important thread of yours... cause, remember... we're still waiting for you to actually address the OCare plan itself... but, really, you should start a "Canadian healthcare - death panels" thread.

[Wilber]

In Canada we don't have to worry about lifetime caps, because at that point, the powers that be will decide you no longer are worthy of treatment, and the plug is pulled.

Bullshit, the patient or if unable, the family has the final say on that call.

[guyser]

Bullshit, the patient or if unable, the family has the final say on that call.

Now wilber, there is no room for facts when countering a shady post. Its better to make it all up, such as he does.

Death panels....

[Shady]

You people are so ignorant that it's hard to even want to bother to post sometimes.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/10/canada_has_death_panels_and_that_s_a_good_thing.html

[Shady]

not to sully this most important thread of yours... cause, remember... we're still waiting for you to actually address the OCare plan itself... but, really, you should start a "Canadian healthcare - death panels" thread.

I've already discussed plenty regarding the unaffordable care act. And how it's forcing people off of the plans they like, and wanted to keep. Unlike what the lying liar in the White House had promised. No wonder he waited until after the election to implement it.

[bleeding heart]

You people are so ignorant that it's hard to even want to bother to post sometimes.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/10/canada_has_death_panels_and_that_s_a_good_thing.html

What a tease.

[guyser]

You people are so ignorant that it's hard to even want to bother to post sometimes.

Well.....we at least know about there not being any death panels. Your ignorance stems from what?

[bleeding heart]

The closest thing to "death panels" are the private insurers.

[sharkman]

You people are so ignorant that it's hard to even want to bother to post sometimes.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/10/canada_has_death_panels_and_that_s_a_good_thing.html

It's funny. People will believe anything or nothing at all depending on who's doing the talking, and that includes media members of course. What is the truth? Does it depend on who's saying it? Being able to tell the BS from the real deal is a rare gift indeed.

[BubberMiley]

I don't find it too difficult to tell when Shady is full of BS. You just have to read the article he cited and decide whether that really constitutes a "death panel."

[waldo]

I don't find it too difficult to tell when Shady is full of BS. You just have to read the article he cited and decide whether that really constitutes a "death panel."

or the actual Supreme Court of Canada decision

[Shady]

Now the classless punk in the white house is trying to blame Mitt Romney for the Obamacare rollout disaster. Apparently the buck stops everywhere but his desk in the oval office. What a leader!

Anyways, if you haven't seen enough of the most incompetent and juvenile administration in the history of American governance, we get a "whatever" from the HHS secretary at the congressional hearing today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srufFKrnku0

Edited October 30, 2013 by Shady

[cybercoma]

In Canada we don't have to worry about lifetime caps, because at that point, the powers that be will decide you no longer are worthy of treatment, and the plug is pulled.

Maybe read the news every now and again, Shady.

The Supreme Court decided that doctors can't unilaterally decide to end life support.

[cybercoma]

I would much rather have doctors deciding when treatment will no longer be effective than insurers condemning people by refusing to fund care.

[Shady]

I would much rather have doctors deciding when treatment will no longer be effective than insurers condemning people by refusing to fund care.

False choice.

[Shady]

Show me

Your utter lack of curiosity when it comes to pretty much any Obama policy is getting quite comical. Anyways....

Under the Affordable Care Act, plans being sold on new government-run exchanges are grouped into four tiers—bronze, silver, gold and platinum—whose monthly premiums reflect the percentage of covered benefits, with the bronze having the lowest premiums.

As a rule, the cheaper a plan's monthly premiums, the higher its deductible and other out-of-pocket costs.

"I was looking at Texas earlier today," Pollitz said. "They had a bronze Blue Cross plan that was $250 a month ... for a 40-year-old. The bronze had a $6,000 deductible,

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101113730

[Argus]

Cry you a river? What does any of it have to do with you?

FYI, the fact is, Obama lied. That was my point, and that's a fact. But, yeah. They actually were insured.

No, he didn't. What he said was you'd be able to keep your plan. And it's pretty much true. However crappy your plan was, if it hasn't significantly changed since the ACA was passed, it can be grandfathered and you can keep it. If it HAS significantly changed, then hey, it's not your old plan any more anyway!

But Obama didn't make any promise, nor could he, that every single insurance company would continue to offer the same policies that were in place before the Affordable Care Act was passed. Policis change all the time.