eyeball Posted November 28, 2013 Report Posted November 28, 2013 Imagine how creepy things might be if some really earnest social conservative got their hands on the dictators tool kits that our politicians are bequeathing to future governments. The US authorities have studied online sexual activity and suggested exposing porn site visits as a way to discredit people who spread radical views. Story Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
dre Posted November 28, 2013 Report Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) I just don't think that any private enterprise outfit is going to be able to put together a security setup that will defeat the NSA (ot the Russian, Chinese, French etc equivilents), not unless they have a ton of money and charge you a ton of money. And I'm not gonna pay anything for that. The government (or others) can tap my phone too, any time they want. There's nothing I can do about that either. And since I'm not doing anything the government would be interested in it would be kind of foolish of me to go to extremes over it. I'm more worried about the spying the private sector is doing. Actually theres already technologies and practices that can thwart groups like the NSA, and they dont cost much. You can already encrypt your communications at a cost of next to nothing. In theory if the NSA wants to devote a years worth of processing of millions of computers they can decrypt, but you can still drastically reduce the chances of your communications being intercepted and read. And thats the problem with this type of surveillance. They will only every intercept communications from people that are technically illiterate, or people that just dont care. And its like an arms race... Most of the worlds smartest programmers do not work in the public sector. So institutions like the NSA are forever playing catchup, and the costs of doing so are increasing fast. This site has some basic common sense messures to protect yourself from slime like the NSA, and other hacker collectives. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/how_to_remain_s.html Edited November 28, 2013 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 28, 2013 Report Posted November 28, 2013 The NSA has no intention of stopping what it does (well), and even if the government said otherwise, the "spying" would still continue. There really is no privacy for individuals who freely engage and share data on the interwebs. Get over it.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 Well, well, well.... A federal judge ruled Monday that the National Security Agency's collection of phone records "almost certainly" violates the Constitution, setting up a larger legal battle over long-secret counterterrorism programs. U.S. District Judge Richard Leon's sharply worded opinion labeled as "almost Orwellian" the NSA's bulk phone-surveillance program, one of several shots the judge took at the spying and its legal justifications. Looks like someone's got some 'splainin' to do. I'm sure the NSA will rush out and apologize to Snowden. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 Let's hope there are more Snowdens. Quote
dre Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 Let's hope there are more Snowdens. There will be, and there was lots more before him. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
guyser Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 Well, well, well.... Looks like someone's got some 'splainin' to do. I'm sure the NSA will rush out and apologize to Snowden. They wont. This judge and his comments are akin to you opening the refridgerator door and smelling something awful inside and then shutting the door. "almost certainly" It means nothing. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 Yes....it means nothing. If it was that easy, traitor Snowden never would have fled the country. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/federal-judge-finds-nsa-spying-unconstitutional/ n a stunning decision, a DC-based federal judge has ruled that the National Security Agency spying revealed this summer violates the constitution. This proves that you can have a 'legal' law that is not constitutional. But with it being unconstitutional, it automatically means that it is illegal. Leon's order grants an injunction that will shut down the NSA's Bulk Telephony Metadata Program, and it requires the government to destroy the metadata collected on the plaintiffs' accounts. The shutdown will only happen if an appeals court agrees with Leon, who has stayed the injunction pending appeal, "in light of the significant national security issues at stake in this case and the novelty of the constitutional issues." This is a win. Quote
Shady Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 I think they should just give Snowden amnesty like has been suggested. Quote
Bonam Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 I think they should just give Snowden amnesty like has been suggested. Not just amnesty but a hero's homecoming and a personal apology from Obama. Quote
GostHacked Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 I think they should just give Snowden amnesty like has been suggested. What prompted you to change your mind here? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 Not just amnesty but a hero's homecoming and a personal apology from Obama. No problem.....he can have a parade straight to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 What prompted you to change your mind here? I haven't really changed my mind. I applaud him on the release of domestic material, but denounce his release of foreign material. And I'd be mostly worried some of that information will end up in the hands of hostile governments. I'd rather give him amnesty and prevent that from happening. I frankly don't trust him. Quote
Bonam Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) No problem.....he can have a parade straight to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Edited December 18, 2013 by Bonam Quote
Argus Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 Not just amnesty but a hero's homecoming and a personal apology from Obama. I think they should dump him into the deepest, lowest cell in their entire prison network and keep him there for the rest of his natural life. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted December 18, 2013 Report Posted December 18, 2013 I think they should dump him into the deepest, lowest cell in their entire prison network and keep him there for the rest of his natural life. For telling the people the truthy about the government breaking their own laws? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted December 19, 2013 Report Posted December 19, 2013 It's hard not to laugh at the internet CEOs going to the White House to complain about NSA snooping. The NSA doesn't have a file and doesn't care about what almost any Americans do, think, say, or send. Google, on the other hand, definitely does. Google and Bell and Rogers and Yahoo and Facebook and the others have files on what you look at on-line, at what you download, at where you shop and what you buy, what sites you visit, what porn you watch, what search terms you type in, what medical issues you look up, who you email with and who your friends are. If you belong to one of those loyalty card programs there's a file somewhere listing all the drugs you buy, what videos you rent, what size you are, where and when you travel and what you eat. And people worry that the spy agencies are interested in you and violating your privacy?! What hilarious nonsense. And by the way, if the NSA did know something about you, it would keep it to itself. There's no guarantee the above corporations aren't trading, selling and merging data on you all across the internet. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 19, 2013 Report Posted December 19, 2013 For telling the people the truthy about the government breaking their own laws? For espionage and treason. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted December 19, 2013 Report Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) For espionage and treason. Hes a whistle blower not a spy. He busted the government violating the constitutional rights of millions of Americans If he goes to prison then Mark Felt, Daniel Ellsberg, Karen Silkwood, Colleen Rowley, Will Binney, Kirk Wiebe should go to prison as well. Not to mention the rest of these people that defied their own government to do the right thing... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_whistleblowers What kind of disgusting authoritarian hellhole do you want to live in? Do you want to live in a nation of people that would just carry on doing something they find morally reprehensible, and not expose that activity? Good little Germans or North Koreans? Edited December 19, 2013 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted December 19, 2013 Report Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Hes a whistle blower not a spy. He busted the government violating the constitutional rights of millions of Americans That's highly debatable. What isn't debatable is he set out in explicit detail, information on how the NSA collects and interconnects information on terrorists and on foreign espionage activities. He also, btw, released information on Canadian electronic espionage, for which Canada could also try him for espionage. The same goes for the UK and Australia. Whichever one of us gets him first will put him in prison. We don't know what else he gave to the Chinese when he was there, or to the Russians, both American enemies, but clearly it was enough to garner their support. What kind of disgusting authoritarian hellhole do you want to live in? Do you want to live in a nation of people that would just carry on doing something they find morally reprehensible, and not expose that activity? Good little Germans or North Koreans? You find it morally reprehensable that the US collects metadata on phone calls, 99.99999% of which goes into a computer bank and is never seen or used? Really? I think you have rather strange standards given what most would use the term for. Edited December 19, 2013 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted December 19, 2013 Report Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) The same people "outraged" over NSA are the same people that have no worries at all about giving the government the power to confiscate more and more of your income for the "greater good", tell you what doctor you can see for the "greater good", tell you what light bulbs you can buy for the "greater good", tell you what toilets you can use in your home for the "greater good", tell you what foods you can eat for the "greater good". and then have the nerve to get upset that the same government that they give all of this power to, also collects metadata on phone calls for the "greater good." Edited December 19, 2013 by Charles Anthony useless image deleted Quote
Bonam Posted December 19, 2013 Report Posted December 19, 2013 The same people "outraged" over NSA are the same people that have no worries at all about giving the government the power to confiscate more and more of your income for the "greater good", tell you what doctor you can see for the "greater good", tell you what light bulbs you can buy for the "greater good", tell you what toilets you can use in your home for the "greater good", tell you what foods you can eat for the "greater good". and then have the nerve to get upset that the same government that they give all of this power to, also collects metadata on phone calls for the "greater good." And then, of course, there's those of us that don't support either. There goes that argument... Quote
eyeball Posted December 19, 2013 Report Posted December 19, 2013 I think they should dump him into the deepest, lowest cell in their entire prison network and keep him there for the rest of his natural life. I think they should give him the Congressional Medal of Honour and name schools and libraries after him so future generations can commemorate and honour him too. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
guyser Posted December 19, 2013 Report Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) And then, of course, there's those of us that don't support either.Yup ! There goes that argument...Naturally Edited December 19, 2013 by Guyser2 Quote
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