bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Posted January 18, 2014 ...The US government just got pwned by the little guy, AND I LOVE IT! Great...let the naivete continue. The sooner the better, because the U.S. government and commercial interests won't be changing anything. There is no privacy....often because of our own actions...get over it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 18, 2014 Report Posted January 18, 2014 There is no privacy....often because of our own actions...get over it. Nope not so long as official secrecy reigns supreme. Get over it? C'mon I'm pretty sure everyone else also knows you mean love it. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
cybercoma Posted January 18, 2014 Report Posted January 18, 2014 Snowden has brought Obama and the US intelligence community to its knees: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nsa-spying-obama-announces-limits-on-surveillance-program-1.2500186 Every member of Congress, POTUS, or judge who voted for, non-vetoed, or legally upheld the PATRIOT Act should be considered an enemy of the state in the US, but of course Mr. Snowden is only thought as such. The NSA's PRISM program is covert and information warfare against citizens of every sovereign country spied upon and should be deemed as such. The US government just got pwned by the little guy, AND I LOVE IT! It's hilarious to imagine that any of it is actually true. It's a show for people to stop scrutinizing the intelligence community. Once this blows over (i.e., people begin to believe Obama has "done something" about it) then they'll be back to rights-violations as usual. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Posted January 18, 2014 Nope not so long as official secrecy reigns supreme. Get over it? C'mon I'm pretty sure everyone else also knows you mean love it. The only influence you have over such things starts and ends with your own actions. If you won't change, what makes you think a foreign government will ? Spy on ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 Don't feed the trolls it's against forum rules. However, I'd be cautious and suspicious about these new measures Obama is putting in. Mr. Teleprompter (thanks Shady) is a liar. Hope and change .. still hoping for change. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 If anyone cares to tune in, Snowden is going to speak at the South by Southwest Festival via videolink from Russia on Monday, March 10th. He will give his thoughts about the impact of the NSA's spying efforts on the technology community and ways technology can fight mass surveillance. Regardless how one feels about Snowden, it should be interesting. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/edward-snowden-speak-sxsw-russia-article-1.1710629 Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
GostHacked Posted March 13, 2014 Report Posted March 13, 2014 Hypocrisy at it's best. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-intelligence-committee-cia-battle-widens-over-computer-search/ Spying on citizens, good. Spying on government officials, bad. Brennan denies claims made by Senate Intelligence Chair Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. She said Brennan informed her earlier this year that CIA agents searched her committee's computer system while the committee was investigating the CIA's Bush-era interrogation program. Feinstein said in her speech Tuesday, "The CIA's search may well have violated the separation of powers principles embodied in the United States Constitution." Outrage spread Wednesday, with Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif. - who chairs the House Oversight Committee - calling the CIA's actions, if true, "effectively treason." But not all Republicans shared his view. After meeting with Brennan, Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., the top member on the Intelligence Committee, argued the facts are still murky. "Both parties have made allegations against one another and even speculated as to each other's actions, but there are still a lot of unanswered questions that must be addressed," he said. The committee's investigation of the CIA, initiated by Democrats, took four years, cost $40 million and yielded a 6,300-page report, which is still secret. Quote
GostHacked Posted April 2, 2014 Report Posted April 2, 2014 Clapper lied to congress. Nice. http://video.foxnews.com/v/3423284794001/clapper-confirms-warrantless-searches-of-americans-by-nsa/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips Not collecting data... eh? Quote
eyeball Posted April 3, 2014 Report Posted April 3, 2014 The committee's investigation of the CIA, initiated by Democrats, took four years, cost $40 million and yielded a 6,300-page report, which is still secret. That's $6349 per page. That can't be right. They must have hand written the thing on gold leaf or something. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
GostHacked Posted July 6, 2014 Report Posted July 6, 2014 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ordinary-americans-caught-up-in-nsa-data-sweep-report-claims/ WASHINGTON - When the U.S. National Security Agency intercepted the online accounts of legally targeted foreigners over a four-year period it also collected the conversations of nine times as many ordinary Internet users, both Americans and non-Americans, according to a probe by The Washington Post. Nearly half of those surveillance files contained names, email addresses or other details that the NSA marked as belonging to U.S. citizens or residents, the Post reported in a story posted on its website Saturday night. While the federal agency tried to protect their privacy by masking more than 65,000 such references to individuals, the newspaper said it found nearly 900 additional email addresses that could be strongly linked to U.S. citizens or residents. Wonder how many of those wiretaps came with warrants. I would say a very very small number. A problem here when you have blanket surveillance. Quote
Argus Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Here's more along the lines of what I've been saying on this subject for some time, ie, that the government is not your problem. The corporations are. It seems there was this guy in the US who liked children a little too much. He sent an email to someone or other containing an illegal image. Google saw it. How did Google see it? Google isn't saying. Google evidently scans user emails for a variety of things, but won't say what. Child porn is obviously one of them, but they might also be scanning for copyright violations, hate mail or other illegal or prohibited or even problematical material, Or as the detective in the case said "I can't see that information, I can't see that photo, but Google can," Google and other corporate entities are in the forefront of efforts to develop software to learn everything about you by scanning your emails, scanning your cloud storage, and following you as you travel around the internet. They want to know your likes and dislikes, your dirty fantasies and, for all I know, whether you like blondes, brunettes or redheads. And they have no issues passing that information on to the authorities. Now I'm sure some of you will say that, in terms of child porn, that's fine, but the systems being set up by Google, by Facebook, by Twitter, and by ISPs like Bell aren't there to just catch child porn. That is incidental to their true purpose, which is to learn absolutely everything about you they possibly can. And with more of them offering free cloud storage, even though you have no right to privacy of the stored material, they're learning even more. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28639628 All kinds of information is passed around by the corporate world. That includes goods you purchase on-line, goods which are returned, credit, mortgage and rental history, health history, employment history (including pre-screening reports), and mailing lists you subscribe to, or have ever subscribed to. Do you travel? The government might not know about your trip, but the internet probably does, and that information is for sale. Ever been told by a cashier to go on-line to fill out a customer survey and possibly win some cash? The purpose of those schemes is to get your name, address and email address on the record, and associated with that store. Retail loyalty cards? They're cash cow of information about your spending habits, where you shop and what you're buying. "Hmm, it appears Mister Smith has an incontinence problem". Compared to all that, what the NSA or Canada's version are doing is pretty small change. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/money/consumer-protection/big-brother-is-watching/overview/index.htm Edited August 4, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 How do you think the government gets it's info? And where? Via these corps. They are operating in tandem. Quote
Argus Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 How do you think the government gets it's info? And where? Via these corps. They are operating in tandem. And yet the entire focus is on the NSA recording who is calling who instead of on what the corporate world is doing... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) And yet the entire focus is on the NSA recording who is calling who instead of on what the corporate world is doing... Well thats because we were lucky enough to have someone inside that institution blow the whistle. Edited August 4, 2014 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 Blew the whistle on the obvious.....so lucky ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 Google evidently scans user emails for a variety of things, Google makes very smart business decisions with the intention of increasing profits. One major reason they scan emails is to deliver targeted ads. Advertisers pay big bucks for a targeted audience. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
dre Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 Blew the whistle on the obvious.....so lucky ! No he blew the whistle on a whole lot of things, most of them you knew nothing about. You can pretend its obvious after the fact if you like. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 No he blew the whistle on a whole lot of things, most of them you knew nothing about. You can pretend its obvious after the fact if you like. It was obvious years before Snowden showed up. Being so naive is fun (I guess). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 It was obvious years before Snowden showed up. Being so naive is fun (I guess). No he blew the whistle on a whole lot of things, most of them you knew nothing about. You can pretend its obvious after the fact if you like. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 No he blew the whistle on a whole lot of things, most of them you knew nothing about. You can pretend its obvious after the fact if you like. It was obvious years before Snowden showed up. Being so naive is fun (I guess). Wait for the next American to open your eyes. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted August 6, 2014 Report Posted August 6, 2014 Well thats because we were lucky enough to have someone inside that institution blow the whistle. What does it matter what the NSA does? I guarantee you there is a hundred times more information about you in corporate data banks than the NSA will ever have. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 6, 2014 Report Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Google makes very smart business decisions with the intention of increasing profits. One major reason they scan emails is to deliver targeted ads. Advertisers pay big bucks for a targeted audience. Maybe, what they and other corporate entities are doing is building as complete a picture about you as possible, all your preferences, your likes and dislikes, from what sort of movies you like to watch to what kind of toilet paper you prefer, your health situation, your education, your friends and family, your economic situation, your job history, your sexual preferences, your education, your rental history, all of it. Far, far more than the NSA will ever have unless you turn into a terrorist. Edited August 6, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bonam Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Maybe, what they and other corporate entities are doing is building as complete a picture about you as possible, all your preferences, your likes and dislikes, from what sort of movies you like to watch to what kind of toilet paper you prefer, your health situation, your education, your friends and family, your economic situation, your job history, your sexual preferences, your education, your rental history, all of it. Far, far more than the NSA will ever have unless you turn into a terrorist. First, the NSA obviously has complete access to everything on Google, Facebook, Twitter, your cell phone, etc. So no, the companies don't have more than the NSA, because the NSA has everything all the companies have, put together. Secondly, it's a lot less ominous when a company gets information about you to try to sell you a product you might like, compared to the government getting information about you to convict you of crimes, deprive you of rights, charge you tax penalties, etc. Or, for that matter, an NSA analyst using the data to stalk an ex, or sell the data to a foreign government. The motives of private companies are easy to understand and not very sinister - they want money. Governments and their intelligence agencies, on the other hand, want absolute power and control. Edited August 7, 2014 by Bonam Quote
Argus Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 First, the NSA obviously has complete access to everything on Google, Facebook, Twitter, your cell phone, etc. So no, the companies don't have more than the NSA, because the NSA has everything all the companies have, put together. Yes, the NSA, like any other corporate or government entity, including foreign ones, can buy this information. My point is that everyone is weeping and wailing about the NSA compiling phone records while blithely handing over all their information to corporations. This card will track everywhere I go and everything I spend? But I get points, right? Well then, that's okay! Secondly, it's a lot less ominous when a company gets information about you to try to sell you a product you might like, compared to the government getting information about you to convict you of crimes, deprive you of rights, charge you tax penalties, etc. Huh? Google scanned this guy's emails and then sent them to the police to have him arrested. If it got out the NSA was routinely scanning everyone's emails for any sign of criminal activity and alerting police people would be freaking. Or, for that matter, an NSA analyst using the data to stalk an ex, or sell the data to a foreign government. Why should a foreign government buy this stuff from the NSA when they can buy it directly from the same people the NSA is buying it from? You think your Optimum card is keeping your secrets from the Chinese? The motives of private companies are easy to understand and not very sinister - they want money. Governments and their intelligence agencies, on the other hand, want absolute power and control. Yeah, corporations don't want that. That's why they pour hundreds of millions of dollars into the pockets of politicians, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 The motives of private companies are easy to understand and not very sinister - they want money. Governments and their intelligence agencies, on the other hand, want absolute power and control. This is what it comes down to in the end. Power and control. Quote
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