Shady Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 Thatcher caused the real estate collapse, the North Korean Crisis, Bird Flu, the Russian meteor, the extinction of dinosaurs, the.... Oh wait...did Harper cause the Russian meteor? Lol, or George W Bush??? Quote
WWWTT Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 Thatcher caused the real estate collapse, the North Korean Crisis, Bird Flu, the Russian meteor, the extinction of dinosaurs, the.... Oh wait...did Harper cause the Russian meteor? Wow,you must really hate Thatcher! Why don't you get an inflatable doll,and make a color print of Thatcher's face and tape it on the dolls face. Take the doll to a motel room and beat up the doll like a punching bag. After you punch the Thatcher doll yell out "That's for the real estate collapse Thatcher!" Then give the doll a roundhouse kick and yell out "That's for Bird flue Thatcher!" Let us know how it goes. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 Complete nonsense. Britain took a hard hit because they ran up way too much debt. Stop trying to rewrite history. Sure it did Shady WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
DogOnPorch Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 Wow,you must really hate Thatcher! Why don't you get an inflatable doll,and make a color print of Thatcher's face and tape it on the dolls face. Take the doll to a motel room and beat up the doll like a punching bag. After you punch the Thatcher doll yell out "That's for the real estate collapse Thatcher!" Then give the doll a roundhouse kick and yell out "That's for Bird flue Thatcher!" Let us know how it goes. WWWTT You sure are creepy. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 Thatcher caused the real estate collapse, the North Korean Crisis, Bird Flu, the Russian meteor, the extinction of dinosaurs, the.... Oh wait...did Harper cause the Russian meteor? Lol, or George W Bush???No, it was Brian Mulroney. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 Here is David Corn, bursting the bubble of those who either don't know what they're supporting or support ugly things in the world: "Thatcher was no consensus builder; she was divisive. She set out to crush unions, privatize, undercut the social safety net (where she could), and push free-market policies that led to the deregulatory nightmares of the future. (Just watch Billy Elliot—or listen to the Clash.) She joined with Reagan in support of torturers and human rights abusers around the globe, as long as these folks were opposed to the Soviets. She called Nelson Mandela a "terrorist" and would not join the worldwide crusade against the racist apartheid regime of South Africa. (In 2006, Conservative Party leader David Cameron felt obliged to disown Thatcher's and his party's previous opposition to Mandela and his African National Congress.) She supported Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet. Her war in the Falklands struck many as an orchestrated stunt, not an act of necessity—though some have seen that military action as a noble blow against Argentina's fascist junta (which the Reagan administration was supporting)." Link Looking at the above, what actually is wrong with crushing unions, privatizing industries, and undercutting the social safety net? When the unions you are crushing are dragging the country down to a third world level, when the industries you want to privatize are already at a third world level, and when the social safety net you want to undercut is being abused by half the people using it? All sound plans, as far as I'm concerned. The Clash. Yep, they tell it straight. Nice tunes. Her views on apartheid seem fairly reasonable, too. Not everybody agreed that sanctions were the best way to end it. How did she get the Argentinians to go along with her orchestrated stunt? Quote
Shady Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 No, it was Brian Mulroney. Hmm, good point. But what about Mitt Romney? Quote
The_Squid Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 When the unions you are crushing are dragging the country down to a third world level, when the industries you want to privatize are already at a third world level, and when the social safety net you want to undercut is being abused by half the people using it? All of that is pure hyperbole. The country wasn't at 3rd world levels, nor were the publicly owned industries at 3rd world levels (whatever that means) and half the people did not abuse the social safety net.... you are simply pulling that last statistic out of your ass. Quote
Wilber Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 The British Disease was running rampant. Inefficient, poorly run companies turning out second rate goods with unions that would down tools because there was no milk for their tea, many of them propped up by government. A lot of what she did, needed to be done. The fact she wasn't very tender or diplomatic about it made her a lot of enemies. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) All of that is pure hyperbole. The country wasn't at 3rd world levels, nor were the publicly owned industries at 3rd world levels (whatever that means) and half the people did not abuse the social safety net.... you are simply pulling that last statistic out of your ass. True, I was kind of going from experience. I actually don't know that it was half. It was likely more. She certainly didn't even come close to rooting them out. I read somewhere not so long ago that as soon as the UK Government decided to ask those on disability benefits to undergo a medical test to show what was actually wrong with them, 900,000 people took themselves off the benefits roll. So no, half might not have been that accurate. Sorry about that. Edited April 9, 2013 by bcsapper Quote
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 The British Disease was running rampant. Inefficient, poorly run companies turning out second rate goods with unions that would down tools because there was no milk for their tea, many of them propped up by government. A lot of what she did, needed to be done. The fact she wasn't very tender or diplomatic about it made her a lot of enemies. There were actually cases of unions going to bat for night shift workers who were sacked because they had mattresses at work and they would sleep on their shift. At least the climate change people must like her because of what she did to the coal mining unions. Quote
BubberMiley Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 So no, half might not have been that accurate. Sorry about that.In any case, providing a source for the information would be too revealing. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 In any case, providing a source for the information would be too revealing. Well, given where The Squid said I got it, it sure as hell would have been. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 DoP already addressed the "factual" statements. No he did not. All he did was link to a page without any explanation in how she did not support Khmer Rouge. Can any of you Thatcher supporters respond to the following and how you think they are okay: - Thatcher's support for Apartheid South Africa, which included thwarting international efforts to place sanctions on South Africa and gave its white supremacist leadership a veneer of legitimacy - Thatcher called Mandela a terrorist - Thatcher's support for Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet - Thatcher's support for Khmer Rouge Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 No he did not. All he did was link to a page without any explanation in how she did not support Khmer Rouge. Can any of you Thatcher supporters respond to the following and how you think they are okay: - Thatcher's support for Apartheid South Africa, which included thwarting international efforts to place sanctions on South Africa and gave its white supremacist leadership a veneer of legitimacy - Thatcher called Mandela a terrorist - Thatcher's support for Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet - Thatcher's support for Khmer Rouge Googled Thatcher's views on apartheid: http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=368488&sn=Detail&pid=71619 Quote
BubberMiley Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 Can any of you Thatcher supporters respond to the following and how you think they are okay:You actually think you'll get a response. One has to learn to temper expectations when dealing the lightweights around here. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 You actually think you'll get a response. One has to learn to temper expectations when dealing the lightweights around here. Oooh, I responded! Quote
-TSS- Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 People usually think the reason why she eventually had to resign as PM was because of differences with her coleagues over the EC, the predecessor of the EU. After all, she was a real eurosceptic who didn't trust at all the European project. That is partially true about her exit but I would say that a bigger reason was her inexcusable political blunder to push through the hugely unpopular poll-tax leading to riots and refusals to pay. The tax was grossly unfair and after Thatcher had gone the tax was quietly ditched. Quote
Guest Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 I remember hearing on the BBC world service yesterday that the Poll Tax was requested by the Scottish. I did not know that. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 No he did not. All he did was link to a page without any explanation in how she did not support Khmer Rouge. Can any of you Thatcher supporters respond to the following and how you think they are okay: - Thatcher's support for Apartheid South Africa, which included thwarting international efforts to place sanctions on South Africa and gave its white supremacist leadership a veneer of legitimacy - Thatcher called Mandela a terrorist - Thatcher's support for Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet - Thatcher's support for Khmer Rouge First, not being British, I can not be a 'Thatcher supporter'...but we do share similar tales about our experiences with the IRA. The ANC was a terrorist organization just like the IRA. The ANC was...of course...the 'political wing' and all that usual BS. The MK (aka the UWS: Umkhonto we Sizwe) was the kill/torture/bomb/kidnap/etc wing of the ANC. Pinochet's relationship with Thatcher seems derived from the war with Argentina. He was also the political opposite of the other banana republic El Presidente', Salvador Allade which would be attractive on the surface. Her statements in Parliament on the Khmer Rouge seem clear enough. I think, ultimately, her prediction came true re: moderate Khmer Rouge types getting involved in the new government. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 It should also be noted that South Afrika has become the very thing it sought to rid itself of only in reverse. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
BubberMiley Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 Oooh, I responded!A link is a response? So when you face a debate, do you just email your questions to your linked website and respond with an updated link? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Wilber Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 A link is a response? So when you face a debate, do you just email your questions to your linked website and respond with an updated link? The link was the lady's own words on the subject. As opposed to what? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
The_Squid Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) It should also be noted that South Afrika has become the very thing it sought to rid itself of only in reverse.You don't know much about South Africa. Whites are part of South African society.... Including government.... Here's an example for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille Reverse apartheid? Hardly. Do you seriously contend that's the case there, or were you just being hyperbolic? Edited April 10, 2013 by The_Squid Quote
Guest Derek L Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 You don't know much about South Africa. Whites are part of South African society.... Including government.... Here's an example for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille Reverse apartheid? Hardly. Do you seriously contend that's the case there, or were you just being hyperbolic? Unless they are farmers.........or women......or white Quote
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