Black Dog Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Good lord indeed. I'm not sure how much more the story can be torqued, I guess it depends on how many more skeletons we can coax out of Fords closet and/or how big our imagination is. Maybe someone can find a picture of him going down on some black eyed bulgy headed alien in a secret lab in Roswell. Everytime we've thought we've hit rock bottom, there's another layer of crap. To imply as you have that this is the media's spin requires some, shall we say, creative thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) Everytime we've thought we've hit rock bottom, there's another layer of crap. To imply as you have that this is the media's spin requires some, shall we say, creative thinking. But implication is fun, and it seems to yeild results as we clearly see with this story. Edited November 14, 2013 by Spiderfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) I didn't want to set Bubber off any more than he already is.I'm not set off. I'm just fully enjoying watching Ford Nation turn into a bunch of crying victims because they were stupid enough to fall under the charismatic spell of their leader. Edited November 14, 2013 by BubberMiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I'm not set off. I'm just fully enjoying watching Ford Nation turn into a bunch of crying victims because they were stupid enough to fall under the charismatic spell of their leader. Is that what's causing you to look for inference into every little comment that is made and trying to turn it into something. And who is this "ford nation" bunch you talk about? Ford isn't my leader so I guess I'm out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Kathleen Wynne needs to Shut the Bleep up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 This is extremely close to stating that he isn't responsible for his own behavior...that all is the fault of the "hyenas" who are unfairly reporting what he says and does. Fixed that for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Fixed that for you. That is better, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Is that what's causing you to look for inference into every little comment that is made and trying to turn it into something.Just trying to discern meaning from the words. I understand why you would rather people not do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 It's hard to have a poster on ignore when people keep quoting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 But implication is fun, and it seems to yeild results as we clearly see with this story. Explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 He was elected. So was every person in the city council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 The hyenas have brought him down and are now proceeding to feast, every word he utters from this point forward is just another meal. This is the media's fault??? LOL That's just ridiculous. There is one man who is the author of Ford's demise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) Explain. The whole story started with an unsubstantiated claim that two reporters saw Ford smoking crack in a video. It is still uncertain what is exactly on the video, but the claim must have enough validity to force Rob to come clean and admit to smoking crack. Ford is now claiming that a former female staffer lied when lodging an accusation against him about certain sexual advance he made. Who knows where this may lead. Maybe Ford is a tweakin, smokin, womanizing drunk who goes around the office all day regailing his female coworkers with his appetite for pie, or maybe this is what could be referred to as throwing gasoline on a fire (or inferno in this case). Given the level of intolerance these days for any kind of sexual misconduct in the workplace, the fact that this just happens to be coming out in the middle of a public flogging of Ford does give some feeling for skeptacism, or at least further investigation. It is surprising that an accustaion like this would not have been brought out before now. Of course, I was a bit surprised by the revelation that the mayor smokes crack, I guess anything is possible with this guy. Edited November 14, 2013 by Spiderfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 This is the media's fault??? LOL That's just ridiculous. There is one man who is the author of Ford's demise... The hyena remark was a play on Black Dog's "last thrashings of a dying beast" metaphore, and was in reference to the media’s behviour, not Fords. There is indeed one man responsible for Ford's demise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 The whole story started with an unsubstantiated claim that two reporters saw Ford smoking crack in a video.Three eyewitnesses is substantiated. You lost that argument already and just don't know it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 just when you thought it couldn't get..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Three eyewitnesses is substantiated. You lost that argument already and just don't know it yet. Their claim was unsubstantiated, ie. no video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Their claim was unsubstantiated, ie. no video. Their claim was that they saw a video, just as the police testimony includes claims from someone who saw him snort coke in a restaurant. You can attack people for saying what they saw with their own eyes, but all you're doing is helping to obscure the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 So was every person in the city council. How is that relevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Their claim was that they saw a video, just as the police testimony includes claims from someone who saw him snort coke in a restaurant. You can attack people for saying what they saw with their own eyes, but all you're doing is helping to obscure the truth. There likely is a video. I’m sure the reporters likely saw a video that shows exactly what they claim. My certainty that I believe their story does not substantiate their claim. Rob Ford’s own admission of crack smoking doesn’t even substantiate their claim, but it does lend great support to it. At this point the video is completely irrelevant anyhow, so not sure what you’re point is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 At this point the video is completely irrelevant anyhow, so not sure what you’re point is.My point is they gave firsthand eyewitness testimony of what they saw and they told the truth. Those who think they should have done anything different are trying to obscure the truth because the truth is very, very embarassing for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 My point is they gave firsthand eyewitness testimony of what they saw and they told the truth. How do you know they were telling the truth? Their firsthand eyewitness testimony (or claim) also happened to be an accustation. You can't fault people for wanting some substantiation to the story, only a vigilante would want otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) How is that relevant? You seemed to insinuate that the fact Ford was elected gave him a special legitimacy and status. I don't see what it matters he was elected. Elected leaders are frequently brought down by other elected bodies. Though they're not directly elected, prime ministers are elected and can be voted out by the popularly elected House of Commons or legislature. US presidents elected by the Electoral College can be removed by the popularly elected Congress. So, it's hardly bizarre for the elected Toronto City Council to pass only motions asking the Mayor to resign. Frankly, I can't perceive why council shouldn't have the power to remove a mayor. [ed.: c/e] Edited November 14, 2013 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) How do you know they were telling the truth? Nobody could at that time be 100% certain they were telling the truth. But it was safe to be 99% certain because we assume most people who appear rational are rational and no rational person would risk their careers lying about a bombshell story like that. Additionally, it's irrational to believe three media people with two different outlets in two different countries conspired to disseminate a lie like that. [ed: c/e] Edited November 14, 2013 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 You can't fault people for wanting some substantiation to the story, only a vigilante would want otherwise.Of course they were telling the truth. Nobody is questioning that anymore. So eyewitness testimony without a video record is unacceptable to you? You're saying they shouldn't have told anyone what they saw? I think most reasonable people would consider that to be irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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