Argus Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 I kind of get how treaties, however uncertain and vague, kind of bind us in various ways, in various interpretations, to paying all those natives on the reserves. What I don't get is this whole 'metis' business. There are no treaties involved. And the definition of a 'metis' is basically a white person who wound up having a kid with a native some time in the past. Not sure what happens when the resulting offspring marries another white guy, and so on down through the years. But these people apparently feel they have the right to my money because at some point in the past one of their ancestors had some native blood in them. Now another of our soft-headed judges has agreed with them. He said the federal government has "Jurisdiction" over the metis and 'non status natives'. You might think that means the government has some sort of control over them, but that apparently isn't what this is about. Instead it means the government is responsible for them. No actual money was awarded, but you know that's coming. All those hundreds of thousands of people with the slightest trace of native blood will be eagerly thrusting out their hands and crowding around the welfare trough demanding 'their rights' to free education, health care, and welfare, and the right to ignore laws, especially hunting and fishing laws. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ottawa-has-jurisdiction-over-mtis-non-status-indians-federal-court-declares/article7029340/ But this isn't based on treaties, but simply on blood. This makes it even more clear that as far as the courts go actual agreements and treaties aren't the issue. Their own bleeding heart liberal guilt is the issue. I have to say, fewer and fewer people I know or hear or read have much sympathy for the idea of us giving ever more money to natives, much less 'semi natives'. I think that unhappiness is only going to deepen when the new lawsuits start awarding billions and billions to this new group of whiny would-be leaches. There is going to come a time when Canadians are going to demand we toss out the constitution and the Indian act and tell the Indians to either get a job or go on welfare in the cities. The reserves are going to be closed down, and the relics of another age are either going to have to adapt to the modern world or die off. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 What this means is that the provinces no longer have to spend money on them. It just shifts the funding from the province to the fed and some will be happy to know that the federal government doesn't spend as much. So you'll actually save money. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 How timely...what used to be accepted as "Charter Politics" will be now joined by "Indian Act" politics. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
TheNewTeddy Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 Can someone help me? I want to know if I'm indian today. My grandmother's grandmother was Mi'kmaq and I'm wondering if I'm an indian now lol. I'm serious too - does anyone know if that makes me qualify? Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
DogOnPorch Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) Can someone help me? I want to know if I'm indian today. My grandmother's grandmother was Mi'kmaq and I'm wondering if I'm an indian now lol. I'm serious too - does anyone know if that makes me qualify? All Canadians should claim to be Metis. WTF are they going to do? Start measuring skulls and mapping us on charts to determine Metis-ness? Edited January 8, 2013 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Posted January 9, 2013 I don't know what percentage of Indian blood qualifies you for special privileges. I suppose the judges will again have to invent new laws and tell us it's in the Charter. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
g_bambino Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 I suppose the judges will again have to invent new laws and tell us it's in the Charter. No. Quote
Argus Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Posted January 9, 2013 No. What's to stop them? The Charter says whatever the judges say it says, regardless of what's written on paper. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 I remember years ago when I had to deal with a federal government project which had a point system which gave additional “point” credits for clients who satisfied a number of specific criteria. I assume that it was part of some affirmative action initiatives. These criteria included things like gender (female), disability, nationality, aboriginal, part of a minority group, etc. After some questioning of one of those bean counter reps from the federal bureaucracy as to an explanation of these terms I came to a surprising conclusion. Because of the privacy laws and the lack of official objective measurable means of categorizing individuals, the correct and acceptable answer to most of these categories was the applicants “belief” of their status. This meant that if a person believed that they were disabled then they could check off that box. If they believed that they were part of a minority group then they could check off that box. This was true for many other categories. It looks like you are what you think you are in the eyes of the federal government. Under those conditions it was much easier to recruit a client group that fully qualified under this point system. With to-days news, already I understand that some Metis refuse to be referred to as Indians, many Indians who refuse to acknowledge Metis as Indians and Anglo Saxon white people who have received blood transfusions in hospitals on reserves now claiming Indian status. I assume that the ½, ¼, and 1/8 “pure blood” relationship of true status will soon be reviewed. I remain your kemosabe. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) I do not think that this is good news for the current status Indians. It can only exacerbate the growing rifts within the Indian movements. If this decision survives the inevitable federal appeal then it will be interesting on what effect it will have on the Indian Affairs budget. Will half the $8 billion be moved over to accommodate the 600,000 new instant Indians or will the budget double to $16 billion? How many new issues will the Metis bring to the already very crowded negotiations tables. Edited January 9, 2013 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
g_bambino Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 What's to stop them? Nothing. But, there would be consequences if one chose to. Quote
PIK Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 I don't know what percentage of Indian blood qualifies you for special privileges. I suppose the judges will again have to invent new laws and tell us it's in the Charter. 1/16th Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
DogOnPorch Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 1/16th I wonder if at 1/16th one would need to look Ayran...errr...Native...in order to qualify... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Sleipnir Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 My grandmother's grandmother was Mi'kmaq and I'm wondering if I'm an indian now lol. I'm serious too - does anyone know if that makes me qualify? Logically yes, realistically not sure. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Guest Manny Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Can someone help me? I want to know if I'm indian today. My grandmother's grandmother was Mi'kmaq and I'm wondering if I'm an indian now lol. Most likely, if as you say, she's from India. Quote
eyeball Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Can someone help me? I want to know if I'm indian today. My grandmother's grandmother was Mi'kmaq and I'm wondering if I'm an indian now lol. I'm serious too - does anyone know if that makes me qualify? Does simply being an Earthling qualify me for anything? Will there ever be a day when some nation/country won't have its nose in my business and insisting they have near total authority over me? As far as I'm concerned everyone can go piss up a rope and get their stupid countries off my planet. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dre Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 All those hundreds of thousands of people with the slightest trace of native blood will be eagerly thrusting out their hands and crowding around the welfare trough demanding 'their rights' to free education, health care, and welfare White people already demanded those rights a long time ago and have made good use of them as well. Never mind all the corporate welfare. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Does simply being an Earthling qualify me for anything? Will there ever be a day when some nation/country won't have its nose in my business and insisting they have near total authority over me? Actually youd be suprised... Turns out it costs a whole lot of money for governments to keep their noses in peoples business, and their scam to pay for it with printed bits of paper has nearly run its course. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
TheNewTeddy Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 I'm not quite sure why my wanting to know who the government thinks I am is so offensive to people. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
DogOnPorch Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 I'm not quite sure why my wanting to know who the government thinks I am is so offensive to people. To me, it's offensive because we're going to use similar criteria as Nazi Germany to determine 'Native-ness'. Not only that, but where does it end? Can new Metis be created? Why are THEY special?? It's f**ked like the rest of Canada's race based laws. We act like there was slavery here...and Indian slaughter. Residential schools = Treblinka. Even the term 'First Nations' makes me ill. It all has to STOP, frankly. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
TheNewTeddy Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 That does not answer why it is wrong for me to want to know what the f**k I am supposed to be? Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
Canuckistani Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 What this means is that the provinces no longer have to spend money on them. It just shifts the funding from the province to the fed and some will be happy to know that the federal government doesn't spend as much. So you'll actually save money. What do you mean? What sort of special funding do the Metis and non-status Indians get from the provinces? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 That does not answer why it is wrong for me to want to know what the f**k I am supposed to be? In Canada? Good luck. Only in Canada can the Chinese be thought of as a visible minority while one could be from tiny Andorra and called part of a majority. You are as skin colour dictates. Bulgarian? No worries...you too can be blamed for the slave trade. It's f**ked. http://www.statcan.gc.ca/concepts/definitions/minority01-minorite01a-eng.htm I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. ---MLK Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Posted January 10, 2013 White people already demanded those rights a long time ago and have made good use of them as well. Never mind all the corporate welfare. You've been on welfare your entire life, have you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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