bush_cheney2004 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 ...In Canada? Good luck. Only in Canada can the Chinese be thought of as a visible minority while one could be from tiny Andorra and called part of a majority. You are as skin colour dictates. Bulgarian? No worries...you too can be blamed for the slave trade. It's f**ked. Yep...pretty much. Some members here don't like my mocking derision of the whole "visible minority (except Natives)" construct found in Canada, but it is symptomatic of the larger problem. You can thank PM Trudeau (and others) for permanently placing Canada into an orbit around multicultural and charter rights madness. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 How timely...what used to be accepted as "Charter Politics" will be now joined by "Indian Act" politics. Or we could handle it The American Way and just put a bullet in all of their heads. Amiright? Quote
cybercoma Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 What's to stop them? The Charter says whatever the judges say it says, regardless of what's written on paper. The Charter is also primary law, versus secondary law (government legislation). Until you understand this, you will continue to make the idiotic claim that judges create laws. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 What do you mean? What sort of special funding do the Metis and non-status Indians get from the provinces? Healthcare, education, roads, and everything else the province spends money on. If Métis are Indian under the Indian Act, then healthcare and education, for example, no longer falls under provincial jurisdiction for them. Quote
PIK Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 I know a few blue eyed blond hair people with the cards. It should be scrapped. We never stole any land form anyone,we conquered it. Just like what has been going on since the start of man. Time for the native to join the rest of us. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Canuckistani Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Canuckistani, on 10 January 2013 - 10:23 AM, said: What do you mean? What sort of special funding do the Metis and non-status Indians get from the provinces? Healthcare, education, roads, and everything else the province spends money on. If Métis are Indian under the Indian Act, then healthcare and education, for example, no longer falls under provincial jurisdiction for them. Sure it does, they get healthcare from the same place every other Canadian does. The province pays for that. All it means is that they don't have to pay the provincial premium. Education is provided by the province as well. These are not people living on reserves, these are off-reserve natives and metis. (Funny, you can be status indian with 1/8 blood, but a Metis have more native blood and had no status.) Roads, again, the province provides roads for all of us, native and non-native alike. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Yep...pretty much. Some members here don't like my mocking derision of the whole "visible minority (except Natives)" construct found in Canada, but it is symptomatic of the larger problem. You can thank PM Trudeau (and others) for permanently placing Canada into an orbit around multicultural and charter rights madness. With this, Canada has perfected perpetual victim-hood. Now you can be born a victim w/o ever experiencing hardship. Pretty cool if you're part of the gravy train. Not so cool if you're the one paying for it. Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein und das heißt Erika.Heiß von hunderttausend kleinen Bienelein wird umschwärmt Erika denn ihr Herz ist voller Süßigkeit, zarter Duft entströmt dem Blütenkleid. Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein und das heißt: Erika. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Or we could handle it The American Way and just put a bullet in all of their heads. Amiright? No...you would probably screw that up too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 No...you would probably screw that up too. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LpPZkLgPE Barf... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
guyser Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 I know a few blue eyed blond hair people with the cards. I know some blue eyed blonde Italians, Indians (from India) Whats the point? We never stole any land form anyone,we conquered it.. We signed treaties, they are contracts if you dont know. Perhaps we should finalize them, pay them out then we can in good conscience scrap the Act, but until then.........we honour what we signed. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 I know some blue eyed blonde Italians, Indians (from India) Whats the point? We signed treaties, they are contracts if you dont know. Perhaps we should finalize them, pay them out then we can in good conscience scrap the Act, but until then.........we honour what we signed. Blue eyes are recessive. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Posted January 11, 2013 I know some blue eyed blonde Italians, Indians (from India) Whats the point? We signed treaties, they are contracts if you dont know. Perhaps we should finalize them, pay them out then we can in good conscience scrap the Act, but until then.........we honour what we signed. The reason the treaties haven't been 'honoured' is that by the way the courts currently see things, their willingness to accept oral histories, the interest and costs would basically be in the trillions of dollars, or we could give them the land they demand, half of which woujld probably include the entirety of Canada. Are you ready to hand over your house keys to the natives in order to honour these treaties? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Moonlight Graham Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 1/16th That's a bit ridiculous. Even 1/8th (your great-grandmother/father) is pushing it. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Sleipnir Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 We signed treaties, they are contracts if you dont know. Perhaps we should finalize them, pay them out then we can in good conscience scrap the Act, but until then.........we honour what we signed. How many of those treaties were pre-1867? Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
TheNewTeddy Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 So in other words: the only reason you have to be upset is pure and simple racism. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
DogOnPorch Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) In the sense that Martin Luther King Jr was a racist. Or was all that just BS...or perhaps merely 'American'? Remember this guy? Sure you do. Or are you too young? Edited January 11, 2013 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 I know a few blue eyed blond hair people with the cards. It should be scrapped. We never stole any land form anyone,we conquered it. Just like what has been going on since the start of man. Time for the native to join the rest of us. That's not what happened in much of BC. England gave clear instructions to the GG and the government of the day to secure treaties with native people and they just didn't. Now they are, and given what I've seen of the scope of some of these treaties and the sheer opportunity that comes with them...I want to completely overhaul the relationship I have with the goddamn Crown too. Time for us to go native. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
guyser Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 The reason the treaties haven't been 'honoured' is that by the way the courts currently see things, their willingness to accept oral histories, the interest and costs would basically be in the trillions of dollars, or we could give them the land they demand, half of which woujld probably include the entirety of Canada. Are you ready to hand over your house keys to the natives in order to honour these treaties? The govt ought to have known any delay will only increase the costs of settlement. I suppose they thought they could hoodwink the FN's with delays etc. They guessed wrong. Now the cost is almost prohibitive. So the best thing to do is sit down, hash em all out and negotiate either a settlement or a price. Compensation can go both ways, but should my house have to go, so be it. What alternative, short of ripping off the people who entered into a deal, do we have? Quote
TimG Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) What alternative, short of ripping off the people who entered into a deal, do we have?The people who signed the deal are dead. The idea that right to benefit from the deals is given to an exponentially increasing number of descendants is an abomination. In Europe the word used to describe such inherited rights was feudalism and most civilized people agree that feudalism is not consistent with the values of an egalitarian democracy . Edited January 11, 2013 by TimG Quote
guyser Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 The people who signed the deal are dead. Does not matter in the least. Go run up a huge mortgage or other debt and die. The holder of the debt will shrug and say "oh well" ? Nope. The idea that right to benefit from the deals is given to an exponentially increasing number of descendants is an abomination And that is exactly why the Govt should have done this a long time ago. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 In the sense that Martin Luther King Jr was a racist. Or was all that just BS...or perhaps merely 'American'? BS and racism not such a big deal...but being an American or "American-style" solution is totally unacceptable. In their respective constitutions, the Americans have an equal protection clause....the Canadians have a notwithstanding clause ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
TimG Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) The holder of the debt will shrug and say "oh well" ? Nope.Actually, most times debt holders are SOL if the debtor dies. Also it is a gross representation of the issues to describe the treaties as a 'debt'. There are specific examples where land was stolen but most of the cost is related to inherited rights. inherited rights are the abomination and I feel absolutely no moral obligation to honour such deals that include such rights. Edited January 11, 2013 by TimG Quote
g_bambino Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 inherited rights are the abomination... What did you do to earn your rights? Quote
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