Metis

[guyser]

Actually, most times debt holders are SOL if the debtor dies. .

No they arent, thats ridiculous to say.

Debt holders may be SOL if the estate has no money nor holdings , but if there are some, the debts have to be paid first.

[TimG]

What did you do to earn your rights?

I have the rights and obligations which are granted to all citizens of the canada. i have no inherited rights.

[TimG]

Debt holders may be SOL if the estate has no money nor holdings , but if there are some, the debts have to be paid first.

Wrong. Unsecured debtors are SOL - even IF the estate has assets. Show me the evidence that treaty 'debts' are 'secured' against the assets of the country. Edited January 11, 2013 by TimG

[g_bambino]

I have the rights and obligations which are granted to all citizens of the canada. i have no inherited rights.

Then, by the same logic, First Naitons people have the rights and obligations granted to all First Nations people and have no inherited rights.

[Smallc]

Then, by the same logic, First Naitons people have the rights and obligations granted to all First Nations people and have no inherited rights.

That logic fails as it somehow assumes that there is a difference between first nations people and other Canadians. There isn't.

[g_bambino]

That logic fails as it somehow assumes that there is a difference between first nations people and other Canadians. There isn't.

There are plenty of differences; quite obvious ones.

[Smallc]

There are plenty of differences; quite obvious ones.

Yes, and I'm different from a muslim immigrant in Toronto, and yet we share the same rights.

[Canuckistani]

There are plenty of differences; quite obvious ones.

again with the racism

[g_bambino]

Yes, and I'm different from a muslim immigrant in Toronto, and yet we share the same rights.

You share the same rights with aboriginal people, too.

[g_bambino]

again with the racism

[Canuckistani]

You share the same rights with aboriginal people, too.

Great. Now go forth and tell that to the aboriginal people who cry victimhood and demand special rights.

[Smallc]

You share the same rights with aboriginal people, too.

Yes, apparently, being Metis, I now do. You don't though.

[g_bambino]

Now go forth and tell that to the aboriginal people who cry victimhood and demand special rights.

Why? It won't change anything.

[Canuckistani]

Yes, apparently, being Metis, I now do. You don't though.

Oh, oh. I foresee somebody becoming bigC as in cash, abandoning his conservative stance. There's just too much money to be had, you may be tempted to go for your share. I would if I qualified. Can't really blame the aboriginals for doing what anybody should. We should blame ourselves for letting it get to this state.

[guyser]

Wrong. Unsecured debtors are SOL - even IF the estate has assets.

Oh sheesh, ....take it up with the courts that conitnually grant asset allocation to the credit card companies who get paid (afterall its unsecured) COnversely show me where anyone can run up tons of debt , die with assets to cover and no ones follows up or demands payment

Estate Law office info....

Your responsibilities (and therefor personal liabilities) are: 1. Funeral; 2.Income Tax; 3. Debts; 4. Beneficiaries, in that order. Don't do it right and any one of them can sue you. If it sounds like a lot of responsibility, it is. No doubt that is why executors can charge the estate up to 5% of the estate value for their work. In fact, that is more than the lawyer will charge.

For most estates the will must be proven. This prevents fraud and other unscrupulous dealings. It is proven by filing an "Application for Certificate of Appointment as Estate Trustee", and the original will with an affidavit by one of the witnesses with the local court, and paying the probate fee - from ½ to 1 ½ % of the value of the estate. This used to be called "probating the will". Joint assets and assets such as life insurance, RRSP's and RRIF's with designated beneficiaries are not included in the value, and usually do not need probate.

Once you have the Certificate of Appointment from the court, you can sell or distribute assets, pay bills, etc. To avoid the liabilities mentioned above:

• pay the funeral first thing - the bank will give you the money for this without probating the will;
  
• advertise for creditors and pay the bills;
  
• file the necessary income tax returns and obtain a clearance certificate;
  
• account to the beneficiaries and get a release before distributing the estate.
  Of course if you are executor and beneficiary both, and knew the deceased's affairs intimately, much of this won't be necessary.
  The executor's best friend is probably the lawyer and tax accountant. They can provide expert advice and guidance and prepare the documents and guide you through the procedures. They get paid from the estate
  
• http://www.ramsaylaw...ering-an-estate
  

Show me the evidence that treaty 'debts' are 'secured' against the assets of the country.

They dont need be.

Canada has funds to pay.

Most unsecured debt is personal debt that can only be collected from the person who entered into the contract. When a person dies, outstanding debts will be paid by the deceased's estate. Secured debts, medical bills, funeral costs and taxes are usually paid first. Once these outstanding debts have been paid, unsecured bills such as credit card debt will be taken from the remaining estate. If there are insufficient funds, the unsecured debt may be written off as a loss to the lender depending on the person's marital status and applicable state laws.

[Canuckistani]

Canuckistani, on 11 January 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

Now go forth and tell that to the aboriginal people who cry victimhood and demand special rights.

Why? It won't change anything.

Quoted for truth.

Edited January 11, 2013 by Canuckistani

[guyser]

. We should blame ourselves for letting it get to this state.

Sort of, I will blame the Govt....all of them that dragged their feet over the decades.

They will have to pay at some point.

Really surprised by some responses here. I always figured righties pushed personal responsibility , ya know....pay your debts and all that,

Guess not when its FN that should be paid.

I wonder why ?

[g_bambino]

Yes, apparently, being Metis, I now do. You don't though.

Sure I do. Every non-aboriginal in this country does.

I suspect you're trying to say aboriginal people have more rights than just those that all people (aboriginal and non-aboriginal alike) enjoy. That, though, doesn't in any way negate what I said to TimG; he and I were talking about how people have their rights, not the difference between what rights each group has or does not have. Aboriginal people have their rights and obligations (those unique to them plus the rest enjoyed by them and everyone else) in the same way TimG said he has his (and, by extention, all non-aboriginal people have their) rights and obligations: they're granted by law.

[g_bambino]

Quoted for truth.

I try my best.

[Argus]

I suppose they thought they could hoodwink the FN's with delays etc. They guessed wrong. Now the cost is almost prohibitive.

So the best thing to do is sit down, hash em all out and negotiate either a settlement or a price.

Compensation can go both ways, but should my house have to go, so be it.

Well, you know,most Canadians aren't writhing in liberal guilt like you. Most Canadian, given a choice of giving away their house or fighting, will get themselves a gun and go hunting indians. Don't think they won't. It might be 2013 but people will still fight to protect what they've spent a lifetime building up. If you think the government could ever make a deal which even began to approach that you have a very poor imagination. It would spawn the bloodiest riots in Canadian history and wind up with the parliiament buildings and Supreme Court burned tothe ground and a lot of dead judges and politicians.

[guyser]

Well, you know,most Canadians aren't writhing in liberal guilt like you.

Most arent as dumb as you. See....does that work for you?

Liberal guilt has no place in this discussion argus, you know that .

Most Canadian, given a choice of giving away their house or fighting, will get themselves a gun and go hunting indians. Don't think they won't. It might be 2013 but people will still fight to protect what they've spent a lifetime building up. If you think the government could ever make a deal which even began to approach that you have a very poor imagination. It would spawn the bloodiest riots in Canadian history and wind up with the parliiament buildings and Supreme Court burned tothe ground and a lot of dead judges and politicians.

Hyperbole doesnt either.

The govt will have to negotiate knowing full well that certain lands just wont be handed back willy nilly. That is why negotiations will be long and drawn out.

I am also of the belief that most FN's wont be seeing all the land seded over to them, compensation for some that are not , replacing it with something else.

[Argus]

The govt will have to negotiate knowing full well that certain lands just wont be handed back willy nilly. That is why negotiations will be long and drawn out.

I am also of the belief that most FN's wont be seeing all the land seded over to them, compensation for some that are not , replacing it with something else.

Natives have already been given hundreds of thousands of square kilometers. What have they done with it?

How much money do you think Canadians are willing to give over to natices, including the new ones, you know,the ones whose great grannie married an indian guy once in Toronto and who is proudly 1/16th native?

[guyser]

Natives have already been given hundreds of thousands of square kilometers. What have they done with it?

Then the settlements wont include those 100's of 1000's of sq K's. No more no less.

What they have done with it is immaterial.

One wins a lotto and squanders it doesnt mean he is shut out when he wins again.

How much money do you think Canadians are willing to give over to natices, including the new ones, you know,the ones whose great grannie married an indian guy once in Toronto and who is proudly 1/16th native?

On the first part I have no idea other than it 'll be measure in billions. Could have been done for far far less had our govts negotiated earlier.

As to the second part.well, that is a problem. That too will have to settled someway. If we think about it, the number who will divide the pie wont be CDN govts problem, it'll be the Natives.

A class action suit with 10,000 plaintiffs or 100,000 plaintiffs isnt settled any differently. Just more legal fees.

Edited January 11, 2013 by guyser

[bush_cheney2004]

Well, you know,most Canadians aren't writhing in liberal guilt like you. Most Canadian, given a choice of giving away their house or fighting, will get themselves a gun and go hunting indians. Don't think they won't.....

LOL! Okay, but no fair using American made guns or ammo.

[eyeball]

Oh, oh. I foresee somebody becoming bigC as in cash, abandoning his conservative stance. There's just too much money to be had, you may be tempted to go for your share. I would if I qualified. Can't really blame the aboriginals for doing what anybody should. We should blame ourselves for letting it get to this state.

The only way I see outside the box is for a movement of human beings who identify as Earthling's first.

The push back from that abyss will of course cause the nations of the planet to act towards First Earthers in much the same manner that counties act towards FN's or even worse the way religions of the world act towards atheism. The idea is THAT challenging to people, especially those who have become so inured to any sort of collective, but does anyone really see any other way forward? I imagine this idea will also be hard for many indigenous nations to accept, and there is the spectrum of political parties out there that are as often as not steeped in nationalism.

Ironically, such a challenge, like an invasion from Mars, might be what humanity ultimately needs to unite it in common cause.

Another thing that might let us preserve our attachment to our nations and the trappings of such is total transparency and public awareness of what the most powerful and wealthiest people in our nations are up to, at all times. But who knows, that might drive us even faster towards a one planet/nation state.

Ultimately I guess it will be technology advanced to such a state that virtually every material need is free along with personal auto-docs and defence systems that frees us all. We'd probably still be plagued with the odd control freak and weenie who comes unglued at the amorality of people getting anything for free but you could just blast them to smithereens if they got in your way.