The US, gun violence, and gun control

[Guest American Woman]

Irrelevant and a straw man argument. I don't know anyone who wants nazi policies on anything. Nice try to you and DerekL for introducing silly extremes into the debate.

I responded directly to a post that was made, and my response was quite relevant. Furthermore, there's nothing "extreme" about it; I've read several personal accounts of Germany under Hitler, and the Jews never thought their country would do what Hitler did to them. You think they would have willingly turned over their weapons if they knew what was in their future? You think there was anything about Germany at the time that would suggest such a thing could happen? The "nazi policies" you refer to, which we are discussing, were "gun control" policies; policies that resulted in the Jews turning in their weapons. Kind of like a ban on weapons.

At any rate, here's a suggestion - if what Derek and I are discussing doesn't interest you, don't respond. I happen to find it interesting, and therefore will respond as I see fit. That you find it "silly" means nothing to me.

And please highlight were I threatened to shoot someone and/or start a revolution?

I was wondering where that comment was coming from, too.

Edited December 16, 2012 by American Woman

[cybercoma]

Oh yeah:

Joy. Absurd hyperbole. And this is why gun fanatics will be left out of the discussion.

[The_Squid]

At any rate, here's a suggestion - if what Derek and I are discussing doesn't interest you, don't respond

It does interest me. What doesn't interest me is bringing stupid arguments like "Hitler did it" into the debate. And I will continue to point out how irrelevant and silly the nazi comparisons are.

Anyone who is this scared of their government that they think they will suddenly turn into nazis or communists needs to seek counseling.

[cybercoma]

It does interest me. What doesn't interest me is bringing stupid arguments like "Hitler did it" into the debate. And I will continue to point out how irrelevant and silly the nazi comparisons are.

Anyone who is this scared of their government that they think they will suddenly turn into nazis or communists needs to seek counseling.

Godwin's Law. Reductio ad Hitlerum

[Guest Derek L]

I was wondering where that comment was coming from, too.

Me too, With that said, as confirmed by BC and your Second Amendment, under the current political framework of the US, a notion that a political power could disarm the populace is not within the realm of possibilities…….As such, to accomplish such goal, said power would have to resort to tyrannical measures……In a country with as many guns as people, I like the peoples chances.

[Guest Derek L]

It does interest me. What doesn't interest me is bringing stupid arguments like "Hitler did it" into the debate. And I will continue to point out how irrelevant and silly the nazi comparisons are.

Anyone who is this scared of their government that they think they will suddenly turn into nazis or communists needs to seek counseling.

Quite the opposite, hence the Second Amendment ensuring the right that the Government should be scared of the people.

[Guest American Woman]

It does interest me. What doesn't interest me is bringing stupid arguments like "Hitler did it" into the debate. And I will continue to point out how irrelevant and silly the nazi comparisons are.

It's not a "nazi comparison;" it's a "gun control" comparison. That you refuse to address it for what it is, is quite telling.

Anyone who is this scared of their government that they think they will suddenly turn into nazis or communists needs to seek counseling.

Speaking of hyperbole ...............

So one has to be either completely and naively trusting of their government - the way the Jews were in Germany - or they're "scared" and need to seek counselling? As I said, nothing but hyperbole in response. One could even say "silly and irrelevant."

[Guest American Woman]

Quite the opposite, hence the Second Amendment ensuring the right that the Government should be scared of the people.

Well put! I'm going to remember that.

[The_Squid]

Quite the opposite, hence the Second Amendment ensuring the right that the Government should be scared of the people.

Canada has lots of guns, no 2nd amendment.... Wow! Weird huh??

[The_Squid]

It's not a "nazi comparison;" it's a "gun control" comparison. That you refuse to address it for what it is, is quite telling.

Speaking of hyperbole ...............

So one has to be either completely and naively trusting of their government - the way the Jews were in Germany - or they're "scared" and need to seek counselling? As I said, nothing but hyperbole in response. One could even say "silly and irrelevant."

Lol. More nazi stupidity right after you said it wasn't a nazi comparison! Haha. Wow....

Seek help if you think your government is one step away from rounding up Jews....

[Guest American Woman]

Lol. More nazi stupidity right after you said it wasn't a nazi comparison! Haha. Wow....

Seek help if you think your government is one step away from rounding up Jews....

Is this what passes for intelligent discussion with you?

If what's being said is over your head, perhaps you should just step away from the discussion. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my discussion with Derek - he hit the nail right on the head. The government should be afraid of the people.

[The_Squid]

"they're coming to take all my guns just like the nazis did" is ridiculous hyperbole.

[Guest Derek L]

Canada has lots of guns, no 2nd amendment.... Wow! Weird huh??

What does that have to do with gun control in the States?

If we’re to include Canada though, based on compliance levels of the last registry, does it mater us not having a “second amendment”?

[Guest Derek L]

Well put! I'm going to remember that.

I didn't coin the phrase, but it is apt.

[Guest American Woman]

"they're coming to take all my guns just like the nazis did" is ridiculous hyperbole.

And the reality that no one said any such thing is .... well, you figure it out.

[Bonam]

Godwin's Law. Reductio ad Hitlerum

Apparently that image would have a lot more rhetorical validity if it had the photos of 7 dictators instead of 8.

[Bitsy]

I seem to recall a a school shooting down in the southern states back in the 90s, in which the two shooters pulled the fire alarm, then started picking off their fellow students from over 300 yards with two 30-06 bolt action rifles……………

Two semi-automatic rifles, one bolt-action rifle and four handguns were a part of their arsenal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westside_Middle_School_massacre

[Bitsy]

Or realistic...........Wasn’t it Jefferson that suggested a revolution could be a good thing every couple of generations

Jefferson also believed it was okay for him to own slaves.

[Black Dog]

Me too, With that said, as confirmed by BC and your Second Amendment, under the current political framework of the US, a notion that a political power could disarm the populace is not within the realm of possibilities…….As such, to accomplish such goal, said power would have to resort to tyrannical measures……In a country with as many guns as people, I like the peoples chances.

You death cultists are so cute with your delusions of power. If you were staring down the business end of an Abrams MBT, the only question is whether you'd hand over your guns or piss yourself first.

[Peter F]

Delusions of power for sure. Gun owners for all thier fancy talk of upholding freedom have got squat compared to that available at the local police station.

The power of government would soon have them reduced to talibanesque urban terrorism.

however they need not fear yet, since the 2nd amendment in America is a holy cow that even the politico's beleive in. In America that is.

[bush_cheney2004]

Delusions of power for sure. Gun owners for all thier fancy talk of upholding freedom have got squat compared to that available at the local police station.

Explain that to the Los Angeles police department, which found itself outgunned by bank robbery suspects several years ago. They had to seek higher firepower from the local gun shops.

The initial outgunning of the police during Friday morning's gunfight was played out in vivid color on live television. At the height of the crisis, several officers had to resort to the arsenal of a nearby gun store to commandeer nine rifles with enough firepower to pierce their assailants' protective clothing.

http://www.csmonitor.com/1997/0303/030397.us.us.5.html

The power of government would soon have them reduced to talibanesque urban terrorism.

Not local government. Many police and county sheriff offices simply do not have the kind of resources you are thinking of.

however they need not fear yet, since the 2nd amendment in America is a holy cow that even the politico's beleive in. In America that is.

Correct....it is not going to happen. Remember, the police and national guard are citizens too.

[cybercoma]

Explain that to the Los Angeles police department, which found itself outgunned by bank robbery suspects several years ago. They had to seek higher firepower from the local gun shops.

The initial outgunning of the police during Friday morning's gunfight was played out in vivid color on live television. At the height of the crisis, several officers had to resort to the arsenal of a nearby gun store to commandeer nine rifles with enough firepower to pierce their assailants' protective clothing.

http://www.csmonitor...97.us.us.5.html

I like that you think this helps your argument.

[Guest Derek L]

You death cultists are so cute with your delusions of power. If you were staring down the business end of an Abrams MBT, the only question is whether you'd hand over your guns or piss yourself first.

Yet the Viet Cong and Mujahideen Stared down the business end of numerous Main Battle Tanks, and were predominantly only armed with a 70 year bolt action rifles………………As has been played out in History, insurgencies tend to favour the “little guy”, and in the case of the United States, they were born out of an insurgency………..

[GostHacked]

From what I've read, Hitler made sure he disarmed the Jews before he went after them.

Incorrect. Hitler went after as many guns as he could get from the population on the whole.

[Guest American Woman]

Incorrect. Hitler went after as many guns as he could get from the population on the whole.

And that included the Jews, right?