The US, gun violence, and gun control

[Wilber]

Columbine and Sandy Hook were commited with guns owned by the shooters parents, all of which would be either restricted or downright illegal in Canada. A few days ago two people were killed in a Portland mall by a guy using an AR-15 he stole from a friend. That may not say anything to some of you folks but it sure as hell does to me.

[Smallc]

Very rapidly as you progress through the process, you’ll come to understand why gun laws shouldn’t be made by semi-hysterical people afraid of guns………….And if possible, get your RPAL at the same time.

I would have...if my brother had told me that he was taking the course in Winnipeg - TODAY. I sent my papers for my PAL last week, and would have waited to save some money. But, oh well. I needed the PAL, because I'm supposed to have it for ammunition sales, and I don't.

He's taking his RPAL because he's applied to the CBSA, and he needs to have it before spring.

Virden is about 3 hours away.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Smallc

[Smallc]

Columbine and Sandy Hook were commited with guns owned by the shooters parents, all of which would be either restricted or downright illegal in Canada. A few days ago two people were killed in a Portland mall by a guy using an AR-15 he stole from a friend. That may not say anything to some of you folks but it sure as hell does to me.

There is a definitely a problem in the United Sates.

[Black Dog]

Welcome to the Darkside

Very rapidly as you progress through the process, you’ll come to understand why gun laws shouldn’t be made by semi-hysterical people afraid of guns………….And if possible, get your RPAL at the same time.

I don’t know how close you are to Virden Manitoba, but once you get your licence, check out these guys……..by far one of, if not the best gun store in all of Canada.

http://www.wolverine...Experience.aspx

Yes gun laws should be made by those wit a vested interest in ensuring the slaughter goes on and cheerleaders like you who for whom guns are a penis proxy.

[bush_cheney2004]

There is a definitely a problem in the United Sates.

Sure...no gun violence problems in Canada...nope:

[Smallc]

There are certainly problems in Canada, but the United States has gun violence at a level seen nowhere else in the western world.

[Guest Derek L]

Yes gun laws should be made by those wit a vested interest in ensuring the slaughter goes on and cheerleaders like you who for whom guns are a penis proxy.

The personal barb aside, I make a very valid point……….Fore when the hysterical folks make the laws, well having no workable knowledge of the subject, the result is restrictions placed on firearms due to their looks and even in some cases, their names……..You don’t find it odd that the gun used by Marc Lepine in the incident that started the process of tougher guns in Canada, was not only not banned, but not even restricted?

[Guest American Woman]

There are certainly problems in Canada, but the United States has gun violence at a level seen nowhere else in the western world.

The U.S. is a country unique in the world for many reasons.

[Smallc]

Most certainly, and that comes with good and bad.

[bush_cheney2004]

There are certainly problems in Canada, but the United States has gun violence at a level seen nowhere else in the western world.

And yet the U.S. has lower gun related crime rates than some other nations, including the "western world" that apparently is your favorite data domain. El Salvador, Jamaica, Columbia, Brazil, and Mexico are in the "western world". What is it about Latin and South America that escapes some Canadians?

[bush_cheney2004]

..You don’t find it odd that the gun used by Marc Lepine in the incident that started the process of tougher guns in Canada, was not only not banned, but not even restricted?

Don't bother confusing their hysterics with Canadian facts....you'll ruin the party.

[bush_cheney2004]

The U.S. is a country unique in the world for many reasons.

Agreed...they sure didn't have any problem with more guns, more bullets, more tanks, more aircraft, more gun powder, and more artillery shells coming from the United States during WW2.

[Smallc]

And yet the U.S. has lower gun related crime rates than some other nations, including the "western world" that apparently is your favorite data domain. El Salvador, Jamaica, Columbia, Brazil, and Mexico are in the "western world".

You're confusing terms. There are several definitions of the western world, but economically, and in civil terms:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/2011_UN_Human_Development_Report_Quartiles.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png

[Guest Derek L]

Columbine and Sandy Hook were commited with guns owned by the shooters parents, all of which would be either restricted or downright illegal in Canada. A few days ago two people were killed in a Portland mall by a guy using an AR-15 he stole from a friend. That may not say anything to some of you folks but it sure as hell does to me.

So this one, already restricted here, should perhaps be banned:

And this one, non restricted in Canada, is ok:

That type of argument makes absolutely no sense, since each gun is the same calibre (.223 Rem/5.56 NATO) and due to their semi-auto action, the same rate of fire governed by the users ability to pull the trigger.

[WIP]

Columbine and Sandy Hook were commited with guns owned by the shooters parents, all of which would be either restricted or downright illegal in Canada. A few days ago two people were killed in a Portland mall by a guy using an AR-15 he stole from a friend. That may not say anything to some of you folks but it sure as hell does to me.

That's what I was thinking also! The main reason why the U.S. is experiencing mass killings, while being few and far apart in Canada and most western societies has little to do with the cultural problems, and more to do with the present inability to do anything about easy access gun laws. Who needs a semiautomatic for protection?

[bush_cheney2004]

You're confusing terms. There are several definitions of the western world, but economically, and in civil terms:

Of course..."western world" is a soft definition, easily changed to suit one's argument. Let's try this one:

Canada slaughters more seals than any other nation in the "western world".

[Smallc]

Who needs a semiautomatic for protection?

Semi auto guns certainly have uses, whether it be for hunting or predator defence.

[Smallc]

Canada slaughters more seals than any other nation in the "western world".

Like I said, your shtick gets old.

[bush_cheney2004]

....That type of argument makes absolutely no sense, since each gun is the same calibre (.223 Rem/5.56 NATO) and due to their semi-auto action, the same rate of fire governed by the users ability to pull the trigger.

Try as you might...it is a futile argument for the ignorant, who have no idea what they are talking about, even when using Google.

[bush_cheney2004]

That's what I was thinking also! The main reason why the U.S. is experiencing mass killings, while being few and far apart in Canada and most western societies has little to do with the cultural problems, and more to do with the present inability to do anything about easy access gun laws. Who needs a semiautomatic for protection?

What is a "western society" ? Are firearms not a product of the "west" ?

[bush_cheney2004]

Like I said, your shtick gets old.

Good, the point has been made about stupid ass limits and definitions of the "western world". Next you can tell us about "North Americans" while excluding Mexico. I never realized how narrow minded some Canadians can be, even as they brag about their "multiculturalism".

[Smallc]

There are very few people who would include anything south of Mexico in the Western world, and many wouldn't even include Mexico.

[bush_cheney2004]

There are very few people who would include anything south of Mexico in the Western world, and many wouldn't even include Mexico.

OK...but that is one of the most bigoted and ignorant things I have ever read on this forum. Guess what? Mexicans are more relevant to the U.S. than Canadians. Put that in your smug pipe and smoke it.

[Smallc]

This is why I rarely pay attention to you.

[Guest Derek L]

Semi auto guns certainly have uses, whether it be for hunting or predator defence.

To add semi-autos with short barrels are also less accurate then grandpas bolt action………….I seem to recall a a school shooting down in the southern states back in the 90s, in which the two shooters pulled the fire alarm, then started picking off their fellow students from over 300 yards with two 30-06 bolt action rifles……………30-06 (and bigger) will also defeat body armour worn by most police forces, yet the calls for further restricting Moose & deer rifles doesn’t seem as frequent………..I attribute it to grandpa’s old Remington looking less scary and black

If they take the semi-auto “Assault Rifles” , they’ll next label Gramps gun a “Sniper Rifle”