The US, gun violence, and gun control

[bush_cheney2004]

This is why I rarely pay attention to you.

Promises...promises. Someday I hope to visit Manitoba and learn the secrets of the universe.

[Wilber]

So this one, already restricted here, should perhaps be banned:

And this one, non restricted in Canada, is ok:

That type of argument makes absolutely no sense, since each gun is the same calibre (.223 Rem/5.56 NATO) and due to their semi-auto action, the same rate of fire governed by the users ability to pull the trigger.

I know what an AR-15 looks like, my kid has a C8 in his patrol car.

So we don't always get it right every time. What's so new about that? Are you saying nothing should be restricted?

[WIP]

Semi auto guns certainly have uses, whether it be for hunting or predator defence.

Even if you feel that one shot can't do the job, there still are reasonable limits to clip size. It's been noted a number of times since the shooting of former Congresswoman - Gabrielle Giffords and others, that the crime would not have been near as large if not for that 19 bullet clip! Why was it reinstated under Bush II? And why was Obama able to do nothing more than make a condolence speech afterwards? And third question, and most crucial if we're talking about this story, will the Obama Administration and the Democrats in Congress have the stones to confront the NRA and gun nuts across the U.S.A. who won't allow any reasonable gun control laws to pass, regardless of the circumstances?

[Wilber]

That's what I was thinking also! The main reason why the U.S. is experiencing mass killings, while being few and far apart in Canada and most western societies has little to do with the cultural problems, and more to do with the present inability to do anything about easy access gun laws. Who needs a semiautomatic for protection?

My point was, ready availability had more to do with those crimes being possible than who technically owned the guns. They were legally owned, big deal.

[bush_cheney2004]

..... And third question, and most crucial if we're talking about this story, will the Obama Administration and the Democrats in Congress have the stones to confront the NRA and gun nuts across the U.S.A. who won't allow any reasonable gun control laws to pass, regardless of the circumstances?

Because the U.S. Supreme Court would kick their ass again, as it has been doing for the past 20 years.

It's a mistake to judge American policies with a Canadian point of view or legal framework.

Edited December 15, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[WWWTT]

OK...but that is one of the most bigoted and ignorant things I have ever read on this forum. Guess what? Mexicans are more relevant to the U.S. than Canadians. Put that in your smug pipe and smoke it.

Not suprising since the US expropriated half of Mexico.

Not to mention that Canada has no border with Mexico and much less in common with Mexico than the US.

I think many here are surprised to see that the US maybe is NOT immune to many problems that other countries are prone to.

Maybe somebody raised the bar to high?

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

Because the U.S. Supreme Court would kick their ass again, as it has been doing for the past 20 years.

It's a mistake to judge American policies with a Canadian point of view or legal framework.

Which is why we will be having the same arguments over and over again in new threads started after the latest "shooting spree" in the US.

WWWTT

[Smallc]

Even if you feel that one shot can't do the job, there still are reasonable limits to clip size.

Most definitely. In Canada, we're part way there, as we regulate clip size for centre fire rifles. We don't regulate rimfire clip size though to the extent that we probably should.

[bush_cheney2004]

Which is why we will be having the same arguments over and over again in new threads started after the latest "shooting spree" in the US.

Right....the U.S. is not Canada. Just keep watching our media and pretend that it is.

[bush_cheney2004]

Most definitely. In Canada, we're part way there, as we regulate clip size for centre fire rifles. We don't regulate rimfire clip size though to the extent that we probably should.

Even amateurs know how to increase "clip size" and modify existing magazines. Again...more ignorance about guns and effective limitations.

Edited December 15, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[WWWTT]

Right....the U.S. is not Canada. Just keep watching our media and pretend that it is.

When you say "media",I think you mean Family Guy?

Because that's all I watch,sometimes storage wars or pawn stars or antiques road show (or the Canadian versions)

But I much rather watch Mandarin programs to help improve my understanding of Chines language (as I am now)

Actually we are currently on the computer,and the tv ratings are way down in both countries.

Oh the irony

WWWTT

[bush_cheney2004]

When you say "media",I think you mean Family Guy?

Because that's all I watch,sometimes storage wars or pawn stars or antiques road show (or the Canadian versions)

But I much rather watch Mandarin programs to help improve my understanding of Chines language (as I am now)

No I mean the entire domain of media production and distribution, including the Internet, which you are using right now. Can you tell me about one good Canadian search engine? I'm tired of using all this 'Merkin based stuff !

Edited December 15, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[WWWTT]

No I mean the entire domain of media production and distribution, including the Internet, which you are using right now.

Sounds like you want the US to take more credit then it deserves.

But when there is a mass shooting,the US is "better" then Mexico.

See ya,got to study Mandarin.

WWWTT

[bush_cheney2004]

Sounds like you want the US to take more credit then it deserves.

But when there is a mass shooting,the US is "better" then Mexico.

The U.S. gets more credit by your own admission.

See ya,got to study Mandarin.

OK... I like to use Rosseta Stone...also American

Edited December 15, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[cybercoma]

Columbine and Sandy Hook were commited with guns owned by the shooters parents, all of which would be either restricted or downright illegal in Canada. A few days ago two people were killed in a Portland mall by a guy using an AR-15 he stole from a friend. That may not say anything to some of you folks but it sure as hell does to me.

Legal gun owners don't kill people though. They just make access to guns that much easier for people that are bent on killing others, but none of the gun club wants to admit that.

[Smallc]

Legal gun owners don't kill people though. They just make access to guns that much easier for people that are bent on killing others, but none of the gun club wants to admit that.

That's where proper storage comes in.

[bush_cheney2004]

Legal gun owners don't kill people though. They just make access to guns that much easier for people that are bent on killing others, but none of the gun club wants to admit that.

This is patently false, as legal gun owners do indeed kill people (and themselves). See "Suicide" and "Castle Doctrine".

[cybercoma]

There are certainly problems in Canada, but the United States has gun violence at a level seen nowhere else in the western world.

Why is the question.

[cybercoma]

The U.S. is a country unique in the world for many reasons.

So what unique feature of the United States relates to its unique affinity for mass homicides?

[The_Squid]

That's where proper storage comes in.

Are there storage laws in the USA?

Proper storage is under your pillow when you feel that you need it for defense, even though statistics show you are more likely to kill someone in your family and not an intruder.

[Smallc]

And that's not right.

[bush_cheney2004]

So what unique feature of the United States relates to its unique affinity for mass homicides?

US media exposure...which Canadians gobble up.

[guyser]

It's a mistake to judge American policies with a Canadian point of view or legal framework.

It may be, but America judges policies the world over from their unique view point and legal framework.

So your opinion is your foreign affairs dept is a mistake?

[bush_cheney2004]

It may be, but America judges policies the world over from their unique view point and legal framework.

So your opinion is your foreign affairs dept is a mistake?

Not sure I follow you....domestic vs. foreign policies, sovereignty, etc. The Americans don't waste as much time worrying about gun (or knife) control in Canada.

[cybercoma]

To add semi-autos with short barrels are also less accurate then grandpas bolt action………….I seem to recall a a school shooting down in the southern states back in the 90s, in which the two shooters pulled the fire alarm, then started picking off their fellow students from over 300 yards with two 30-06

This was perpetrated by a 13 and 11 year old at a middle school. Yet another example of a mass homicide against children at a school. I wonder what made them decide to dress up in camo and ambush their schoolmates?

http://en.wikipedia....School_massacre

Edited December 15, 2012 by cybercoma