punked Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) Just let me jump in here. I am not dumb enough to say lets out law guns. They are already to prevalent in society that time has past and driving them under ground will only make crime go up. I understand the best to handle this is to put regulations which make the problem one which is controlled but does not make criminals out of people who use them and hurt no one. I am also want to point out to Conservative on the board this is your argument about guns. I agree with you in a lot of ways. Now why don't you ever apply the same basic premise (which you know to be true) to drugs. You turn hypocrites. Edited December 15, 2012 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 No one has said outlaw guns. The gun nut response to sensible restrictions is to scream "you're taking my guns away". It's silly. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) No one has said outlaw guns. The gun nut response to sensible restrictions is to scream "you're taking my guns away". It's silly. What I am saying is the argument for keeping guns legal is the same for soft drugs. Yet the hypocrites on this board still act like guns should have no regulations and drugs should be illegal. It is crazy. I think both should be regulated by the government. I think hard drugs which can harm society should be illegal just like very large weapons. However the smaller stuff which people use for themselves and harm no one else when used in the proper way should be regulated and controlled. It is the same argument of personal freedom conservatives on this board love to make. Those who can not handle either should be banned and it should all be that simple. Freedom is important and guns are a tool which people should have access to if they are responsible. Edited December 15, 2012 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I agree. The hypocrisy is amazing. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I agree. The hypocrisy is amazing. That is just it. People like Shady shouldn't come in here and make an argument which when the standard is applied across the board makes them look stupid. That is either what you believe or you don't believe and that is fine with me but don't pretend like we are talking about different things when we are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 No one has said outlaw guns. The gun nut response to sensible restrictions is to scream "you're taking my guns away". It's silly. I'm in direct opposition to those that want to keep guns. I say they should be outlawed. Hunting rifles should only be available to people after extensive background checks. Even then they ought to be stored at police stations and checked out for hunting trips, then returned within an established timeframe. No one ought to have guns for the sake of leisure. The public safety is a hell of a lot more important than their fun. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I'm in direct opposition to those that want to keep guns. I say they should be outlawed. Hunting rifles should only be available to people after extensive background checks. Even then they ought to be stored at police stations and checked out for hunting trips, then returned within an established timeframe. No one ought to have guns for the sake of leisure. The public safety is a hell of a lot more important than their fun. Genie is out of the bottle there is no going back. Your opinions might work in a different place but in America where there are already 1 gun for every person it will never work. Just like in the 1980s when the tough on drugs laws were tried, or in the 20 when alcohol prohibition was instituted it will end in disaster. You want to make criminals out of people who have lived their whole lives under a different type of society. It doesn't work. There is a price for personal freedom and that price is a lot lower then the alternative. You agree with me and I know you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) I'm in direct opposition to those that want to keep guns. That's an absolutely ridiculous position, especially to anyone that's stepped outside of one of Canada's large urban areas. In rural areas, guns are tools, and one gun is not capable of doing all jobs. Edited December 15, 2012 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Genie is out of the bottle there is no going back. Your opinions might work in a different place but in America where there are already 1 gun for every person it will never work. Just like in the 1980s when the tough on drugs laws were tried, or in the 20 when alcohol prohibition was instituted it will end in disaster. You want to make criminals out of people who have lived their whole lives under a different type of society. It doesn't work. There is a price for personal freedom and that price is a lot lower then the alternative. You agree with me and I know you do. I agree with what you're saying, but I'm not willing to compromise my position on this one. Guns are making people more efficient killers and the ultimate goal should be exactly what I said, regardless of whether it can be accomplished in the immediate future or not. For instance, look at slavery. The complete abolition of slavery was always the ultimate goal, but it could only be accomplished in stages. First they had to ban the slave trade, but they continued to allow slaves. Then they freed those born into slavery. Finally, slavery was entirely abolished. I'm oversimplifying for the sake of making an example, but I hope it illustrates my point. It's about moving towards the goal. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 That's an absolutely ridiculous position, especially to anyone that's stepped outside of one of Canada's large urban areas. In rural areas, guns are tools, and one gun is not capable of doing all jobs. And I accounted for that in my post. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I agree with what you're saying, but I'm not willing to compromise my position on this one. People like you are the reason that people like Derek and BC don't like to budge an inch, because you really do want to do what they fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 People like you are the reason that people like Derek and BC don't like to budge an inch, because you really do want to do what they fear. I really do because I really don't see any reason they need to play with guns as a hobby. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 And I accounted for that in my post. The nearest police station to where I live is 65 kms. Leaving that aside, with the reality of predators, your position would be ridiculous if there were a police station in my town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) I really do because I really don't see any reason they need to play with guns as a hobby. Well, that's your very uninformed opinion. I love shooting. I don't hunt, and I've killed a predator once when I had no choice, but I love to shoot. I'm in the process of getting my PAL and plan at some point to get my PAL - Restricted so that I can own handguns. Guns are not dangerous when stored and used properly. Guns do make killing easier, certainly, and that's why legal ownership needs to be regulated, but that doesn't mean that a ban will ever be the answer. Edited December 15, 2012 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 The nearest police station to where I live is 65 kms. Leaving that aside, with the reality of predators, your position would be ridiculous if there were a police station in my town. Buy a bow. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Well, that's your very uninformed opinion. I love shooting. I don't hunt, and I've killed a predator once when I had no choice, but I love to shoot. I'm in the process of getting my PAL and plan at some point to get my PAL - Restricted so that I can own handguns. Guns are not dangerous when stored and used properly. Guns do make killing easier, certainly, and that's why legal ownership needs to be regulated, but that doesn't mean that a ban will ever be the answer. How does your enjoyment of guns make my opinion uninformed? I simply don't see any need for guns in civil society. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Buy a bow. A bow would be utterly useless against an aggressive predator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 People like you are the reason that people like Derek and BC don't like to budge an inch, because you really do want to do what they fear. Very true...and it makes our job so much easier. God bless the gun ban nuts ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 How does your enjoyment of guns make my opinion uninformed? I simply don't see any need for guns in civil society. Your opinion is uninformed because it isn't based in any understanding of the weapons, and their safe use and operation. Hunters and sportsman are very careful with their weapons. They don't want them to get damaged, they don't want them to cause harm, and they certainly don't want to accidentally kill themselves. Criminals are going to get guns regardless, and there are very few situations (in Canada, anyway) where banning legal access to guns would do anything. More than that, it's about liberty and freedom. Those things are never absolute, nor should they be, but legal guns are almost never the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 People like you are the reason that people like Derek and BC don't like to budge an inch, because you really do want to do what they fear. And quite frankly, people with his shared opinion are the biggest contributor to private gun and ammo sales………..Don’t believe, check out the stock prices of the major gun makers next week…….Especially Remington Arms/Freedom Group, the makers of the Bushmaster AR-15/M-4, the gun used in the recent shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 ....More than that, it's about liberty and freedom. Those things are never absolute, nor should they be, but legal guns are almost never the problem. Great...you are on a roll ! Happiness is a warm gun - John Lennon Quote Economics trumps Virtue.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 All of that said, I'm not in favour of owning things like full automatic weapons or legal carry of hand guns. I don't see a reason for that in civil society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 All of that said, I'm not in favour of owning things like full automatic weapons or legal carry of hand guns. I don't see a reason for that in civil society. You may if you or a family member was assaulted or killed by a criminal. Or if your job put you at great risk. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Well, that's your very uninformed opinion. I love shooting. I don't hunt, and I've killed a predator once when I had no choice, but I love to shoot. I'm in the process of getting my PAL and plan at some point to get my PAL - Restricted so that I can own handguns. Guns are not dangerous when stored and used properly. Guns do make killing easier, certainly, and that's why legal ownership needs to be regulated, but that doesn't mean that a ban will ever be the answer. Welcome to the Darkside Very rapidly as you progress through the process, you’ll come to understand why gun laws shouldn’t be made by semi-hysterical people afraid of guns………….And if possible, get your RPAL at the same time. I don’t know how close you are to Virden Manitoba, but once you get your licence, check out these guys……..by far one of, if not the best gun store in all of Canada. http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/The-Wolverine-Experience.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Odd how Canada and other western democracies aren't the U.S. yet the U.S. is always compared to them. Of course. Anything "unique" about the U.S. - and there are many things that are unique to the U.S. vs. the countries you refer to - has to be "savage." Good Lord. Yes you are a unique special snowflake that's drenched in the gore of children. You're a blind hack. Quote America...."the worlds largest, best-armed shopping mall."-Ivor Tossell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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