cybercoma Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 It makes sense in the context it's being discussed. Try reading beyond the portion of my post that you quoted. Oh. You're in one of those moods again. Excuse me while I put you back on ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Excuse me while I put you back on ignore. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Then something has gone terribly wrong within Vancouver, since the per capita murder rate is so much higher than Mayberry, USA. Understand? You still missed the point about the 'something going wrong within your borders'. That's *if* there is no correlation between your gun-laws and mass-shootings. However, I believe there is a correlation. IOW, I'm being sarcastic when I say then it's something else that's gone wrong within your borders. You really don't understand?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 It makes sense in the context it's being discussed. Try reading beyond the portion of my post that you quoted. It makes complete sense. Something can rise or not rise proportionately to a proportion. Obviously cybercoma isn't exactly a math genius, so I'll provide an example: 0.00001 murders per capita in city A is a proportion. 100 murders in city B is a number. If there is an increase to 200 murders in city B, then city A's per capita murder rate doesn't have to proportionately rise to 0.00002 simply because it is a proportion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 You still missed the point about the 'something going wrong within your borders'. That's *if* there is no correlation between your gun-laws and mass-shootings. However, I believe there is a correlation. IOW, I'm being sarcastic when I say then it's something else that's gone wrong within your borders. You really don't understand?!? Oh, she understands. That's why she wants to change the unit of analysis from national to local. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Murder rates will vary with jursidictions. I think it is a real mistake to put run of the mill homicides in the same category as mass shootings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Oh, she understands. That's why she wants to change the unit of analysis from national to local. I'm not so sure, CC but I give up. Anyone who denies the use of per capita within a discussion on crime should not be taken seriously. Reading the two posts from you and CPCFTW I realised how irrational she's being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) Murder rates will vary with jursidictions. I think it is a real mistake to put run of the mill homicides in the same category as mass shootings. The discussion has been mass-shootings per capita in the US. Edited December 14, 2012 by BC_chick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Amazing how fast we are willing to focus on the person behind the gun and how quickly we forget about the people on the other side of those bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Reading the two posts from you and CPCFTW I realised how irrational she's being. She regularly gets wound up when anyone criticizes American policies, foreign or domestic. Just ignore her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) The discussion has been mass-shootings per capita in the US. That wasn't directed at you. I think it got lost on a couple of people. Edited December 14, 2012 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 I'm not so sure, CC but I give up. Anyone who denies the use of per capita within a discussion on crime should not be taken seriously. So then you agree, given that Vancouver has a much higher per capita murder rate than Mayberry USA, that there is something really, terribly wrong with Vancouver - RIGHT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Gun control is just not an option for a people raised from birth with the Hollywood mythos of the heroic man and his gun protecting himself and his family and bringing the evildoer to justice. It's nuts, but there's no way you're going to convince Americans they are safer without millions of assault rifles on the streets. What they ought to do, however, as should we, is strengthen our treatment in the area of mental health. We also lag terribly in that area, and by and large when these kinds of things happen it emerges that the killer had all kinds of mental health issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) What they ought to do, however, as should we, is strengthen our treatment in the area of mental health. We also lag terribly in that area, and by and large when these kinds of things happen it emerges that the killer had all kinds of mental health issues. Some disorders, such as schizophrenia, don't develop until about the age of this gunman, so sometimes it's not even apparent that there is a problem until something terrible happens. I don't know if that's the case in this instance, but sometimes there's not a 'history' of mental health issues, so to speak. As for this: Gun control is just not an option for a people raised from birth with the Hollywood mythos of the heroic man and his gun protecting himself and his family and bringing the evildoer to justice. It's nuts, but there's no way you're going to convince Americans they are safer without millions of assault rifles on the streets. Don't presume to speak for Americans. You don't know how "Americans" have been "raised from birth," and this quote pretty much proves it. Edited December 15, 2012 by American Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Yup. It was easier get guns then. Nothing else changed in that time. Culture is exactly the same as it was in the 50s. Of course it's not. Things are much more "progressive." Your ilk has done well to degrade the civil society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Some disorders, such as schizophrenia, don't develop until about the age of this gunman, so sometimes it's not even apparent that there is a problem until something terrible happens. I don't know if that's the case in this instance, but sometimes there's not a 'history' of mental health issues, so to speak. Sometimes, but you rarely hear of someone who is fine one day, get schizophrenia the next, and is off shooting people the day after. These things come on and are noticed, and often enough relatives try to get treatment for the individual but fail. Don't presume to speak for Americans. You don't know how "Americans" have been "raised from birth," and this quote pretty much proves it. I'm not speaking FOR Americans. I'm speaking ABOUT Americans. As a people, you're all wrapped up in the myths you learned from Hollywood, not just about guns but a lot of things. And reality is the farthest thing from your minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) I'm not speaking FOR Americans. I'm speaking ABOUT Americans. As a people, you're all wrapped up in the myths you learned from Hollywood, not just about guns but a lot of things. And reality is the farthest thing from your minds. They ALL are huh. Besides, Hollywood has nothing to do with it. A country having to literally fight a war for their independence has much more significance, and is illustrated in their founding documents. Edited December 15, 2012 by Shady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I'm not speaking FOR Americans. I'm speaking ABOUT Americans. As a people, you're all wrapped up in the myths you learned from Hollywood, not just about guns but a lot of things. And reality is the farthest thing from your minds. Then you suck just as bad speaking ABOUT Americans as you do speaking FOR Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 They ALL are huh. Besides, Hollywood has nothing to do with it. A country having to literally fight a war for their independence has much more significance, and is illustrated in their founding documents. Oh so it's a different, even more deep-seeded violent mythos then. Super. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Of course it's not. Things are much more "progressive." Your ilk has done well to degrade the civil society. Yeah I'm sure if they still had school prayer none of this would have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Of course it's not. Things are much more "progressive." Your ilk has done well to degrade the civil society. You would know. I mean you were what? -40 in the 50s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I don't think this talk about "Americans this, Americans that" is going to get us anywhere. I know us Europeans are excused for making such generalisations but I would have thought that Canadians knew better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I don't think this talk about "Americans this, Americans that" is going to get us anywhere. I know us Europeans are excused for making such generalisations but I would have thought that Canadians knew better than that. Why? Surely you have seen here that "Americans this, Americans that" is essential to establishing and communicating opinion about the Canadian identity. Norway didn't have any reason to do this after their shooting spree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I don't think this talk about "Americans this, Americans that" is going to get us anywhere. I know us Europeans are excused for making such generalisations but I would have thought that Canadians knew better than that. I agree. It's funny, but Americans are one of the few identifiable groups left that it is permissible to tar with one brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I agree. It's funny, but Americans are one of the few identifiable groups left that it is permissible to tar with one brush. ...and Christians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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