Obama must accept "the will of the Arab people"

[Merlin]

The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood feels that the only foreign policy change Obama can bring is by “accepting the will of the Arab people.”

Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood wants to make Shariah Law the main source of the country’s new constitution.

Terror group Hamas is calling for Obama not to be “biased” toward Israeli interests during his second term.

Iran wants Obama to force Israel to get rid of its nuclear weapons.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned Iran of a possible military strike if the Tehran regime continues its efforts in building a nuclear weapon.

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Now that Obama is once again President of the United States more accusations come to light questioning his heritage and Muslim upbringing. Let's put these to rest first, Obama is a Christian , is an American citizen and was born in America. I don't want to talk about that.

The Muslim Brotherhood is the group that many people right and left were cheering for, the left were arguably even more vocal but both sides had supporters and now we see the true aims of the Muslim people who struggle to make the world an Islamic world. That is the goal of Islam. To turn the entire world to Islam, for everyone to become a Muslim and to Islam to rule everything, every nation to be a Sharia Law nation. The word Jihad itself means "struggle" and this is the worldwide Islamic struggle for all Muslims. There is a call for all Muslims to join this Jihad and more and more Muslims in the west are joining in. I'm not passing judgement one way or the other just listing the facts. Now that the west supported Muslim Brotherhood wish to enact Sharia Law as their legal system I wonder if they feel as though they've really stepped in it now.

Israel has never been proven, to my knowledge, to have publicly stated to have nuclear arms. It's widely accepted that they do have such arms but nothing has been made public about it so I don't see how a leader of a nation can ask such a thing of another nation.

Obama supporters after his election win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQBfudpKo3g&feature=youtu.be

This is from a blog, the video can be found here as I cannot seem to figure out how to embed it in the forum. Does this speak to the majority of Obama supporters or even the average Obama supporter? I don't know, this isn't conclusive evidence at all but instead is interesting that some of Obama's supporters feel this way.

It really means to me, no more Isral, Mitt Romney would go to war with Iran,Obama said f--k that shit. Kill those mother f---ers.

Having Sharia law is very scary to me. They very nearly had Sharia Law enacted in Ontario. This is very scary to me. I am a supporter of gays having equal rights as the rest of us and Sharia calls for the killing of homosexuals. I cannot live with this. Sharia law would make hand holding in public illegal as it is in many Sharia countries. We do not need this type of legal system in Canada. This is terrifying to me.

Edited November 9, 2012 by Merlin

[Merlin]

The filmmaker behind "Innocence of Muslims," the anti-Islam film that sparked rioting across the globe, was sentenced to a year in prison Wednesday but not because of the movie's content,prosecutors and the judge said.

"In my opinion, the government used these proceedings to chill my client's 1st Amendment rights," Steven Seiden said.

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To the untrained eye it would appear that this is just another sentencing of a criminal but upon closer inspection we can see that this film maker who made the video depicting the prophet Mohammad as a pedophile and womanizer was punished for exercising his first amendment rights.

Is this the beginning of what is to come later on? Has the court started a precedent for punishing those who criticize Islam?

This truly scares me. If they are already sending messages that criticism of Islam will not be tolerated in the US how long will it be before the same restriction is made in Canada?

I don't understand what it is about Islam that makes it the pet project of so many in power. Will Canada make efforts to enact Sharia Law again? I want to know the new Premier's position on this issue before the next election. This is scary and dangerous to many people who are homosexual and who are disabled and may not be able to fight off an attack.

[bush_cheney2004]

....This truly scares me. If they are already sending messages that criticism of Islam will not be tolerated in the US how long will it be before the same restriction is made in Canada?

Point of order....Canada already has silly hate speech laws....the U.S. doesn't. You can find out more at a local HRC hearing.

[guyser]

Having Sharia law is very scary to me. They very nearly had Sharia Law enacted in Ontario. This is very scary to me. I am a supporter of gays having equal rights as the rest of us and Sharia calls for the killing of homosexuals. I cannot live with this. Sharia law would make hand holding in public illegal as it is in many Sharia countries. We do not need this type of legal system in Canada. This is terrifying to me.

You should find out what sharia law is as respects to it being introduced into ONtario before you worry about a thing.

None of what you have posted would have changed, no laws , no hand holding, no killing of gays.

There would not have been one single change to our present laws in this country,....none nyet nada zip.

Sharia was for civil proceedings and had to be agreed to by both parties, much like Jewish courts are here today

[DogOnPorch]

You should find out what sharia law is as respects to it being introduced into ONtario before you worry about a thing.

None of what you have posted would have changed, no laws , no hand holding, no killing of gays.

There would not have been one single change to our present laws in this country,....none nyet nada zip.

Sharia was for civil proceedings and had to be agreed to by both parties, much like Jewish courts are here today

Slippery slope. What happens to the non-Muslim woman who marries a devout Muslim man?...it happens, apparently. How about the kids? Are they automatically subject to this Medieval set of laws?

[guyser]

Slippery slope.

History suggests otherwise, No problem in Jewish civil preceedings.

What happens to the non-Muslim woman who marries a devout Muslim man?...it happens, apparently. How about the kids? Are they automatically subject to this Medieval set of laws?

Non Muslim woman says no.

Kids are not taken to court, civil or otherwise without a guardian .

These are civil preceedings, not criminal and should not be framed as 'laws' pre se.

[DogOnPorch]

History suggests otherwise, No problem in Jewish civil preceedings.

Non Muslim woman says no.

Kids are not taken to court, civil or otherwise without a guardian .

These are civil preceedings, not criminal and should not be framed as 'laws' pre se.

Apparently you feel women have equal rights in the home under Islam. Do you have anything that can back this claim up? Surly there are entries in the Sharia dealing with the worth of a woman's word and testimony.

Edited November 9, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[Michael Hardner]

. Will Canada make efforts to enact Sharia Law again?

Canada made no such effort, nor did Ontario.

Did you say something about Obama`s heritage being called into question again ?

Is there are link for that ? If not, your post is just another troll post in a sea of many such posts.

[Merlin]

Canada made no such effort, nor did Ontario.

Did you say something about Obama`s heritage being called into question again ?

Is there are link for that ? If not, your post is just another troll post in a sea of many such posts.

I remember the Liberals wanting to enact Sharia Law in Ontario I even remember a vote on the subject. I don't share a cheery outlook on this. Sharia Law is not good for Canada and is not good for any province. Sharia Law is dangerous and people should be scared of it. It is homophobic and values women less then men. This is not in concert with our values I'm afraid. I'm all for multiculturalism but not at the cost of Canadian values which we've cherished for generations.

No, please read my post. It is very clear. I said this is not to question Obama's heritage. I'm starting to wonder if people on this site actually read the posts on it. I know I am new here but it's annoying when I go to the trouble to make a post then have that post ignored then have others put words in my mouth that are in direct conflict with what I wrote. I wonder who is trolling(I had to look it up as I didn't know what this term meant).

I am not very tech saavy. In my day we learned to type on a typewriter.

[Michael Hardner]

I remember the Liberals wanting to enact Sharia Law in Ontario

Ok. I don't remember that - do you have a link ?

No, please read my post. It is very clear. I said this is not to question Obama's heritage.

Then why bring up lies just to leave them hanging out there ?

[GostHacked]

Point of order....Canada already has silly hate speech laws....the U.S. doesn't. You can find out more at a local HRC hearing.

Try bashing some Jews in the USA and see how far it gets you. ADL.

[Guest American Woman]

Try bashing some Jews in the USA and see how far it gets you. ADL.

So what does "bashing some Jews in the USA" get someone? Anything to back that insinuation up?

[Michael Hardner]

So what does "bashing some Jews in the USA" get someone? Anything to back that insinuation up?

Like Canada - it gets a bunch of reasonable people to not like you.

Unlike Canada - you don't go to jail.

[guyser]

I remember the Liberals wanting to enact Sharia Law in Ontario I even remember a vote on the subject. I don't share a cheery outlook on this. Sharia Law is not good for Canada and is not good for any province. Sharia Law is dangerous and people should be scared of it. It is homophobic and values women less then men. This is not in concert with our values I'm afraid. I'm all for multiculturalism but not at the cost of Canadian values which we've cherished for generations.

The above has been debunked.

I know I am new here but it's annoying when I go to the trouble to make a post then have that post ignored then have others put words in my mouth that are in direct conflict with what I wrote.

Seems you are guilty of same, as in parroting this worrisome change in laws to Sharia.

Once again, no LAWS were ever to be changed via Sharia. None

[guyser]

Apparently you feel women have equal rights in the home under Islam. Do you have anything that can back this claim up?

Just the Constitution and the Charter of Rights.

Surly there are entries in the Sharia dealing with the worth of a woman's word and testimony.

I have no doubts there is.

The point is, if they agree to use Sharia in a civil court (and they cant now) then the outcome is what they knew could potentially be.

If one wants to make the point that we should encourage any person not to agree with using Sharia in a civil matter, I am 100% behind that initiative

[Merlin]

I will interested to see if some of Obama's supporters continue to vocally be against the Jews and in turn Israel. I posted a video in the OP that clearly shows Obama fans and voters vocalizing their apparent dislike/distrust of Jews and of Israel. This sort of attitude needs to be nipped in the bud right away before some dangerous ideas form.

Where a dislike for Jews and Israel exists so does a liking and support for Islam and Muslims. people in the video have mentioned supporting Palestine over Israel. Palestine is controlled by Hamas which is a world wide recognized terrorist organization. These are dangerous attitudes that are becoming more and more common place.

I have mentioned before that I am a disabled person who is on assistance and feel defenseless against groups of people if they should choose to attack me because of my disability. I wouldn't be capable of fending them off and they could easily overtake me. I am scared sometimes in the neighborhood when the mosque has the music in not English then all the Muslims come to the mosque. When they pass by me they always look at me and talk about me, I think they do this due to my disability. Some of the women have their heads covered completely with only eye holes showing and it's scary. OMG it's spooky to see them walking towards me and not speaking. I always wonder if this is the end of my life, if they will attack me now.

I also find it scary that all the nations who had uprisings in the Arab Spring that Obama and many leftist organizations supported are now in power and bringing Sharia Law with them. Islamic Law is the same law that Iran has, we do not need more nations embracing this sort of law as it dehumanizes women and outlaws homosexuals among other things.

I strongly believe in gay rights and the rights of women , these new regimes will only serve to weaken those groups and marginalize them. These are scary times ahead and I don't know what to do.

[GostHacked]

Merlin, so you are scared of Muslims because you have a disability?

[Merlin]

Please read everything in my posts, I lay it out pretty well for everyone to understand. Start at he first post to fully understand my position. Not many people are replying because my points made are very well done and everyone agrees with me.

[Guest American Woman]

Please read everything in my posts, I lay it out pretty well for everyone to understand. Start at he first post to fully understand my position. Not many people are replying because my points made are very well done and everyone agrees with me.

Ummm. Yeah. Welcome back.

[PIK]

Slippery slope. What happens to the non-Muslim woman who marries a devout Muslim man?...it happens, apparently. How about the kids? Are they automatically subject to this Medieval set of laws?

What happens? The muslim man will take the kids back to his homeland long before the courts can do anything.

[DogOnPorch]

What happens? The muslim man will take the kids back to his homeland long before the courts can do anything.

Shades of Sally Fields, say it ain't so.

[scribblet]

There was a report in 2004 recommending that Ontario accept Sharia based law on some issues because back in 1991 the NDP gov't passed legislation allowing Jews and Christians to use faith-based tribunals to settle family based issue etc. . When some Muslim groups demanded the same thing for their faith, (that decisions of Sharia tribunals be recognized in Ontario courts) McGuinty did consider it but had to back down because of the backlash. Therefore he did away with the whole thing, one of the few good decisions he made.

[Sleipnir]

The video can be found here as I cannot seem to figure out how to embed it in the forum. Does this speak to the majority of Obama supporters or even the average Obama supporter? I don't know, this isn't conclusive evidence at all but instead is interesting that some of Obama's supporters feel this way.

Do the majority of tea partiers support hanging the president of the United State or even the average Tea Party supporter? I don't know, but it is interesting that some of Tea Party supporters feel this way.

Meaning, every politicians has two or three supporters with 'extreme' belief.

Edited November 11, 2012 by Sleipnir

[Hudson Jones]

Now that Obama is once again President of the United States more accusations come to light questioning his heritage and Muslim upbringing. Let's put these to rest first, Obama is a Christian , is an American citizen and was born in America. I don't want to talk about that.

Good start.

The Muslim Brotherhood is the group that many people right and left were cheering for, the left were arguably even more vocal but both sides had supporters and now we see the true aims of the Muslim people who struggle to make the world an Islamic world. That is the goal of Islam. To turn the entire world to Islam, for everyone to become a Muslim and to Islam to rule everything, every nation to be a Sharia Law nation.

This a terrible generalization. It is like saying that the true aim of Christians is to turn the world into a Christian world because there are "some" Christians who devote their whole life trying to convert non-Christians into Christians. Just like in Christianity and Judiasm, Muslims also come in variety.

The word Jihad itself means "struggle" and this is the worldwide Islamic struggle for all Muslims. There is a call for all Muslims to join this Jihad and more and more Muslims in the west are joining in. I'm not passing judgement one way or the other just listing the facts.

You're passing generalization and hoping no one challenges these generalizations.

Now that the west supported Muslim Brotherhood wish to enact Sharia Law as their legal system I wonder if they feel as though they've really stepped in it now.

Why should we care what the Egyptian people choose to do? Do you see anyone complaining about Jewish laws in Israel?

Israel has never been proven, to my knowledge, to have publicly stated to have nuclear arms. It's widely accepted that they do have such arms but nothing has been made public about it so I don't see how a leader of a nation can ask such a thing of another nation.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you excusing or trying to justify the double standard of asking other nations to not have nuclear weapons and not asking Israel to disarm because Israel won't openly admit to it?

]Obama supporters after his election win[/b]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQBfudpKo3g&feature=youtu.be

This is from a blog, the video can be found here as I cannot seem to figure out how to embed it in the forum. Does this speak to the majority of Obama supporters or even the average Obama supporter? I don't know, this isn't conclusive evidence at all but instead is interesting that some of Obama's supporters feel this way.

I don't understand why the terrible generalization is going unchallenged.

I'm paraphrasing:

Person #1: Incoherent man says: "No more Israel"

Person #2: Coherent man says: "Palestinians are being treated unfairly. But I feel like, hopefully that can be adjusted in time with a balanced respect between the two nations. Palestine was there first and Israel moved in, in the 1940's and that's an unfair attack.

Person #3: Jewish Man says: "I feel like Israel is not in the right in any way, shape or form. They're taking advantage of Palestinians. Us being with Israel is not a good choice for us or the world."

Person #4: High strung man says: "Obama is going to force Iran and Israel to sit at a table and compromise. He's going to get Iran and Israel to talk. He's going to be that angel of peace."

For some reason, you are trying to equate everyone in the video who may have wandered off the usual "I unconditionally support Israel no matter what they do" script, to Person #1, the incoherent man who says "No more Israel". This is a dishonest way of debating.

Many people agree with persons #2, #3 and even the excited #4.

By the way, did you know that 70% of American Jews voted for Obama?

Obama has been very careful with the way he talks about Israel. He is consistent with how he speaks about them. How many times have you heard him say: "the unshakable relationship between American and Israel"? Did you know that he has given more foreign aid to Israel than any other president?

I do have a bit of hope that he will be able to force Israel to negotiate honestly with the Palestinians. That he will stand firm with what majority of the world agrees with: "A Palestinian State based on the 1967 borders". I also hope that a party other than Likud and his fanatical coalition win early next year.

Edited November 12, 2012 by Hudson Jones

[DogOnPorch]

Except Palestine wasn't there first. The Ottoman Empire was. Allied soldiers died by the 10s of thousands to give the people of this region a chance to further their nationalistic ideals. That includes Arabs AND Jews. Not just Arabs. Plus, no conversation about the origins of the issues in the Levant can go forward w/o coming to terms with the actions of the Grand Mufti Haj al-Husseini.