DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Given a reasonable amount of resources, I bet I could hide a battleship in Iraq that would never be found. Never mind a few barrels of mustard gas or Sarin (which have been found, btw) I like the cut of your jib. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Selective history. The Iran-Iraq War never happened in some folks books. In other folks; books, the US didn't back Iraq in that war...before using it later as an example of Saddam's evil. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Now that's freaky... Edit>The two posts above yours, jacee. Yes...but it's absurd that some posters think a UN team of inspectors and a few GI's had time to search every inch of Iraq. It's a pretty big place. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 In other folks; books, the US didn't back Iraq in that war...before using it later as an example of Saddam's evil. I really don't care WHO the US backed. Both Iran and Iraq are better suited to be lakes. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 I like the cut of your jib. Yeah, was quite the coincidence. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Yeah, was quite the coincidence. "Friended" Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 I'm sure Saddam swore off chemical weapons after seeing the horrors he caused on the battlefield. Burp... Nobody knows why he didnt rebuild his WMD manufacturing capability after UNSCOM left in 1998.He probably didnt have any prescursors at that point, and he couldnt even afford to buy conventional arms in significant quantities. But the most likely reason is that these weapons were pretty useless from a tactical standpoint, unless youre attacking civilians in a low lying area when the weather is just right. At that point they werent much use for fighting kurdish separatists because of the no fly zone. If we wanted answers maybe we should have waterboarded them out of him in cuba instead of executing him. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Actually after the first gulf war, UNSCOM spent years in Iraq destroying their stockpiles. Well, there you go. You know more about it than I do. But it's quite obvious he didn't have WMDs. Quote
Guest Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Well, there you go. You know more about it than I do. But it's quite obvious he didn't have WMDs. Or muffins. Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Give me unlimited funds and power to act and I'll hide 100 18 wheeler trucks with trailers somewhere in BC. Some might be buried. Find them. And give you a BRAIN, and you would actually use all these weapons on the army currently invading your country instead of hiding them in the sand. In any case despite Colin Powwels nonsense in front of the UN you dont hide a military industrial complex on trucks. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 General dre: But the most likely reason is that these weapons were pretty useless from a tactical standpoint, unless youre attacking civilians in a low lying area when the weather is just right. Tell that to the troops that fought in WW1. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 And give you a BRAIN, and you would actually use all these weapons on the army currently invading your country instead of hiding them in the sand. In any case despite Colin Powwels nonsense in front of the UN you dont hide a military industrial complex on trucks. You do realize that this is merely your opinion as opposed to facts. Just a heads-up. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Tell that to the troops that fought in WW1. The ones that spent much of their time in dug out trenches? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 The ones that spent much of their time in dug out trenches? That's not how mustard 'gas' works, Mr expert. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 How does chlorine gas work? You brought up WWI. Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Well, there you go. You know more about it than I do. But it's quite obvious he didn't have WMDs. Yes and even most of orgional supporters of this meme have long backed off and left it behind. But youll get a handfull of people like DOP that are just gonna believe what they want to believe (saddams vast active WMD programs and factories were in the back of pickup trucks, or moved to syria). There is nothing on earth that could convince these people otherwise. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 WMD are kind of like God. There's no proof they were there, but they believe it without evidence anyway. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 How does chlorine gas work? You brought up WWI. Mustard gas...used in WW1 and in Iraq. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Saddam needed to go though, as I said earlier in the wrong thread. haha Gassing the Kurds was one of the worst atrocities of the 20th century. Quote
Guest Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 It must drive Julian Assange nuts. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/ By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction. Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 WMD are kind of like God. There's no proof they were there, but they believe it without evidence anyway. Yeah well when your "proof" is that "you can make muffins", then.... Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Yeah well when your "proof" is that "you can make muffins", then.... Sigh. See my last post for the recipes. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Sigh. See my last post for the recipes. Don't you love the 'intentionally difficult' setting? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 It must drive Julian Assange nuts. http://www.wired.com...rising-results/ By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction. Yes weve already been over all that years ago... According to David Kay, who appeared before the US House Armed Services Committee to discuss these badly corroded munitions, they were leftovers, many years old, improperly stored or destroyed by the Iraqis.[50] Charles Duelfer agreed, stating on NPR's Talk of the Nation: "When I was running the ISG – the Iraq Survey Group – we had a couple of them that had been turned in to these IEDs, the improvised explosive devices. But they are local hazards. They are not a major, you know, weapon of mass destruction."[51] Again... Iraq was accused of having "massive stockpiles" and an "active WMD military industrial complex". Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Don't you love the 'intentionally difficult' setting? I didnt set that the Bush administration did. But yeah! By not accepting "you can make muffins with ingredients", as proof that Iraq had massive WMD stockpiles and an active manufacturing complex, we are clearly setting the bar unreasonably high Edited November 13, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
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