bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 The ability that citizens of a state have to force their local leaders to pick a fight with their federal government is definitely an admirable thing.... It's a very American concept...how the whole thing started...long ago. I think Canada is more regressive in this respect, where grassroots dreams go to die. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 People, especially people in smaller local governments, are to deferential to the authority of people in bigger governments in Canada. It seems that anyone I know who's risen through local committees, boards and municipal governments to provincial and federal politics change somewhere along the way. A couple I've known who upon being elected to office went off to some sort of retreat where they were apparently instructed in the way's of power. I think that's when they were given their Goa'ulds and they were like different people when they came back. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) People, especially people in smaller local governments, are to deferential to the authority of people in bigger governments in Canada. I agree completely....seeking civic conflict is not generally in the Canadian character, save for Quebec. Canadians are more interested in being and staying safe over rocking the boat, IMHO. Edited November 8, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Our leaders certainly are. I think people on the ground are more willing to give it a go but the problem is that its extremely hard to get anywhere. It's a really soul-sucking experience. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
carepov Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Snowbirds don't move here; they just winter here to escape the bad weather. In other words, it's an extended visit. Sorry, snowbirds was the wrong word, you are correct. I would guess that are also many Canadians that have been buying up houses and actually moving south. I don't have stats though. Quote
carepov Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 It's a very American concept...how the whole thing started...long ago. I think Canada is more regressive in this respect, where grassroots dreams go to die. Try telling that to the Reform Party. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Right....any such uprisings are quickly snuffed out due to lack of interest in dealing with the resulting conflict. It's a risk avoidance behaviour famously seen in Canada. Look at how shocked people were from a garden variety hockey riot in Vancouver. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Try telling that to the Reform Party. Is there any better example of a grassroots dream dying - anywhere - than in the Reform party ? The party that pledged American style senate ? That vowed to turn Stornoway into a bingo hall ? That stood up with their hands on their hearts to say they would NEVER take a government pension ? Really ? In the end, all that resulted was the word 'Progressive' being removed from the Conservative party name. So much for grass roots... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Sorry, snowbirds was the wrong word, you are correct. I would guess that are also many Canadians that have been buying up houses and actually moving south. I don't have stats though. I have several Canadian neighbours who still love Canada, but it just doesn't have the opportunity and options available in the USA. They just get more down here. "Free healthcare" isn't the only important thing in life...or death. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WWWTT Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 It's a very American concept...how the whole thing started...long ago. And so is the Magna Carta WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 "Free healthcare" isn't the only important thing in life...or death. I agree! Our health care system has really deteriorated under the conservatives and liberals! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 The last time any other party was in power the Black Death was a major issue, so I think it's actually improved. Hand washing, Penicillin, anesthesia, etc. Quote
carepov Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Is there any better example of a grassroots dream dying - anywhere - than in the Reform party ? The party that pledged American style senate ? That vowed to turn Stornoway into a bingo hall ? That stood up with their hands on their hearts to say they would NEVER take a government pension ? Really ? In the end, all that resulted was the word 'Progressive' being removed from the Conservative party name. So much for grass roots... Yes there is a better example: The Tea Party Quote
jacee Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Right....any such uprisings are quickly snuffed out due to lack of interest in dealing with the resulting conflict. It's a risk avoidance behaviour famously seen in Canada. Look at how shocked people were from a garden variety hockey riot in Vancouver. I'm really sick of your divisive condescending Canada bashing bc. /ignore again. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) I'm really sick of your divisive condescending Canada bashing bc. /ignore again. Noted....I suppose we can all jump with glee over the constant "condescending U.S. bashing", eh? If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Edited November 8, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
carepov Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) No need for re-incarnated babies, as every year more people from around the world choose the USA over Canada, and always have. Mostly because of greater economic freedom and opportunity. Wiki say: In 2006 the United States accepted more legal immigrants as permanent residents than all other countries in the world... combined So you would choose to be re-born into the US over Canada because there are more immigrants entering the US? Do these facts not bother you?. US / Canada / Source Life expectancy at birth (years) 78.5 / 81 / UN Under-five mortality rate (per 1,000 live births) 8 / 6 / UN Maternal mortality ratio (deaths of women per100,000 live births) 24 / 12 / UN Teen birth rate (per 1,000 girls) 39 / 13 / World Bank Incarceration Rate (per 100,000) 730 / 114 / Wiki Murder Rate (per 100,000) 4.2 / 1.6 / Wiki Edited November 8, 2012 by carepov Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 So you would choose to be re-born into the US over Canada because there are more immigrants entering the US? Yes...40+ million people (including Canadians) can't be wrong! Do these facts not bother you?. No....Canada may be "safer"....but it is also a lot more boring. Opportunity is lacking compared to the "scary" USA. As discussed earlier, Canada has a higher suicide rate. People are so happy they kill themselves at a higher rate. Go figure.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 No....Canada may be "safer"....but it is also a lot more boring. As discussed earlier, Canada has a higher suicide rate. Yes, both of these are hallmarks of a dangerous and more exciting society. Would you rather life in the old west or in present-day Scandinavia where the serenity of life drives people to existential crises and perhaps suicide ? Never mind, I think I know the answer. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
carepov Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Yes...40+ million people (including Canadians) can't be wrong! Oh yeah, how do you explain the 2004 Presidential election? No....Canada may be "safer"....but it is also a lot more boring. Opportunity is lacking compared to the "scary" USA. Well I guess it would be exciting to have a drug-addicted teenage mom and dodge bullets as you go visit your dad in jail. As discussed earlier, Canada has a higher suicide rate. People are so happy they kill themselves at a higher rate. Go figure.... Suicide Rate (per 100,000): US: 12.0, Canada 11.3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 ...Never mind, I think I know the answer. Of course you know the answer...I am not a "safe" collectivist. I seek a higher risk/reward experience. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Sorry, snowbirds was the wrong word, you are correct. I would guess that are also many Canadians that have been buying up houses and actually moving south. I don't have stats though. yup you're guessing...I personally know three families that have purchased houses in the US none of them live there, all the homes were long term investments and are used as holiday homes...anecdotal but there's no guessing involved... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Oh yeah, how do you explain the 2004 Presidential election? ??? What's to explain? Well I guess it would be exciting to have a drug-addicted teenage mom and dodge bullets as you go visit your dad in jail. Yes, it is more exciting to face such an outcome than to atrophy in a safer, boring existence with worse weather. Suicide Rate (per 100,000): US: 12.0, Canada 11.3 http://en.wikipedia....by_suicide_rate Canada's suicide rate has trended slightly past the USA (see earlier thread). It's even higher in collectivist paradises like Finland. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
carepov Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 ??? What's to explain? How could over 50 million people vote against the almighty Bush/Cheney? Yes, it is more exciting to face such an outcome than to atrophy in a safer, boring existence with worse weather. I concede the worse weather. But I contend your claim about Canada being more boring, what support do you have for this? Canada's suicide rate has trended slightly past the USA (see earlier thread). It's even higher in collectivist paradises like Finland. Suicide rate are about the same and perhaps suicide is more related to the darker winters. The comparisons I provided showed huge differences between Canada and the US. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Snowbirds don't move here; they just winter here to escape the bad weather. In other words, it's an extended visit.What do you mean "here"? I thought you were in the Upper Peninsula? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) How could over 50 million people vote against the almighty Bush/Cheney? Both candidates were Americans....they have to be by Constitution....born in the US of A. I concede the worse weather. But I contend your claim about Canada being more boring, what support do you have for this? Canada is more boring compared to the United States. The constant U.S. references here and in general Canadian media, education, business, politics, etc., etc, fills a void in Canada. Suicide rate are about the same and perhaps suicide is more related to the darker winters. Well clearly the rate is not better in happy, collectivist, and safer Canada. The comparisons I provided showed huge differences between Canada and the US. I sure hope so, as they are different nations with different experiences. One has a population of 320,000,000 compared to 35,000,000. I guess people voted with their feet. I think your premise may be askew in assuming that what appeals to Canadians would/should be a universal desire. The American experience doesn't enjoy any such monopoly either, but clearly it is more popular than Canada's, for a variety of reasons. Edited November 8, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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