US Ambassador to Libya killed in attacks

[Argus]

You mean like the warning that Bush had before the attacks in 2001 and did absolutely nothing to prevent them? I am pretty sure that September 11 2001 screw up trumps September 11 2012.

Bush had a warning that terrorists were going to hijack airplanes and fly them into a the WTC?

Cite, please.

[Guest American Woman]

Why can't you remember the reports of Palin's daughter being pregnant, the down syndrome child, the mocking of both,etc. This is just off the top of my head, do I need to dig up all of the nonsense again?

I wasn't even aware of it at the time (just did a Google search on your claims), but if you are referring to Bill Maher, whom I never watch or listen to, he did say some pretty despicable things. I would never be able to turn around and joke about other kids in response, however, as it's not funny and two wrongs don't make the world a better place.

But let me go on record as saying that I find Maher's comments every bit as disgusting as Limbaugh's. I don't know why adults have to say such disgusting things about children.

[Guest American Woman]

Who mocked the down's syndrome child? That would be pretty low if it happened.

Bill Maher called Sarah Palin's family "inbred twits" and he said that her son with Down's Syndrome "looks a lot like John Edwards." I found the videos, so heard it for myself.

Edited September 16, 2012 by American Woman

[bleeding heart]

Why can't you remember the reports of Palin's daughter being pregnant, the down syndrome child, the mocking of both,etc. This is just off the top of my head, do I need to dig up all of the nonsense again?

Dig all you like...or stick to the actual topic to which I was replying: that is, the sexualization jokes of candidates' children.

For example, the joke about Sasha and Malia in a porn film called "White House Whores."

Edited September 16, 2012 by bleeding heart

[bleeding heart]

I am making the distinction between the guy who made the film, who some are saying is responsible, in whole or in part, and the unknown, unnamed individuals who deliberately provoked the anger within those Muslim countries, ie, the religious and political leaders who waved this video, or tails of this video, under the noses of the mob of illiterate goat herders and sent them off towards the embassies.

In retrospect, looking back on this particular thread, you were replying to Squid who was replying to.. someone. My post would have been better made to that someone, or in agreement with Squid, for it more directly addresses that, and really doesn't deal with your followup at all. Your followup seems oddly out of conjunction, as well, for it seems to address Guyser's line of discussion instead.

Yes, I was responding to Squid directly, but also alluding to those asserting about jerkoff, provocative behaviour.

My only point being that the murders (and attempted murders) are quite a bit worse than any non-murderous, jerkoff behaviour. And that this extrapolates generally.

So we probably don't disagree, my possibly confusing response aside.

[bleeding heart]

Bill Maher called Sarah Palin's family "inbred twits" and he said that her son with Down's Syndrome "looks a lot like John Edwards." I found the videos, so heard it for myself.

Then I'm more glad than ever that Maher is included in the "Awful Atheists" list I posted eslewhere.

[jbg]

If Bibi shares your opinion that this analysis is stupidity squared then he should act on his own (with the support of Harper) and take out Iran’s nuclear facilities; they have the means to should they decide to use their full arsenal. As it stands, he is trying to provoke Obama to assist him in this task but to his credit, Obama is refusing to be intimidated by his ‘red line’ in the sand. It appears that the ball is now in Bibi’s court, and if he is successful in influencing our election, the public should be prepared for a war whose scope we have never known.

We will know soon if Bibi thinks these experts are stupidity squared because my guess is that Obama will call his bluff and tell him to ‘go for it’.

I can never figure out why left-wingers seem to have problems with nuclear power, and with the U.S. having nuclear-tipped missiles in Europe (remember the nuclear freeze demonstrations) but have no problem with Iran having weapons. There are mysteries in life.

[sharkman]

Dig all you like...or stick to the actual topic to which I was replying: that is, the sexualization jokes of candidates' children.

For example, the joke about Sasha and Malia in a porn film called "White House Whores."

Sigh. Okay, here's another one:

I too think that children should be off limits, and it speaks to the character of those who take part in such.

But not only jokes, reporting on president's children seems to be too tempting for some. Remember how Bush Jr's girls kept 'popping' up in the news as partiers? Palin's children were open targets, but at least they refrain for Obama's kids, and Chelsea always was off limits.

Edited September 16, 2012 by sharkman

[bleeding heart]

Sigh. Okay, here's another one:

Palin's children were open targets, but at least they refrain for Obama's kids, and Chelsea always was off limits.

Not for ol' Rush, if you'll remember.

But yes, they should be left alone, I agree.

[Guest American Woman]

But not only jokes, reporting on president's children seems to be too tempting for some. Remember how Bush Jr's girls kept 'popping' up in the news as partiers? Palin's children were open targets, but at least they refrain for Obama's kids, and Chelsea always was off limits.

The Bush twins were partying, and they were over 18 years old, so I would argue that they were fair game as it's the way of it, regarding anyone in the public eye.

Chelsea was hardly off limits. A couple of examples that I remember off the top of my head: John McCain's joke: Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? - because her mother is Janet Reno.

And of course there was Limbaugh's comment about how everyone knows there's a White House cat, but do they know there's also a White House dog? - And up goes a photo of Chelsea Clinton.

Limbaugh also referred to the Obama girls as "his two fat daughters" when trying to make a point about health care. Not exactly in line with an "off limits" mindset.

[sharkman]

The Bush twins were partying, and they were over 18 years old, so I would argue that they were fair game as it's the way of it, regarding anyone in the public eye.

Chelsea was hardly off limits. A couple of examples that I remember off the top of my head: John McCain's joke: Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? - because her mother is Janet Reno.

And of course there was Limbaugh's comment about how everyone knows there's a White House cat, but do they know there's also a White House dog? - And up goes a photo of Chelsea Clinton.

Limbaugh also referred to the Obama girls as "his two fat daughters" when trying to make a point about health care. Not exactly in line with an "off limits" mindset.

Weren't your Chelsea examples when she was over 18 as well, and after the Clinton's left the White House? If not, then I retract my statement about them being off limits. The Rush comment is wrong headed, but one radio host is certainly not the equivalent of multiple TV news reports and newspaper articles which all covered the Palin daughter-gets-knocked-up joke by Letterman. Everybody should just lay off the children though, whatever the backstory is.

[Signals.Cpl]

Bush had a warning that terrorists were going to hijack airplanes and fly them into a the WTC?

Cite, please.

I don't know about having information as to the method of the attack, he defiantly received multiple warnings that an attack was imminent and he ignored those warnings.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2201387/9-11-anniversary-Series-2001-briefings-warned-attack-Bin-Laden.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/pdb8-6-2001.pdf

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/apr/09/september11.alqaida

I'm pretty sure this qualifies as a warning, more so that "warned about a deteriorating security situation". Was the situation deteriorating for the Libyans? Or the Americans? Maybe it was about the ME is general.

[Guest American Woman]

Weren't your Chelsea examples when she was over 18 as well, and after the Clinton's left the White House? If not, then I retract my statement about them being off limits.

Chelsea was 12 or 13 at the time of the dog reference, perhaps had just turned 18 at the time of the Janet Reno comment. However, the comment was not the equivalent of reporting on her actions, as it was regarding the Bush twins. It was a joke, in poor taste, at Chelsea's expense. It was a joke about her - and her looks.

The Rush comment is wrong headed, but one radio host is certainly not the equivalent of multiple TV news reports and newspaper articles which all covered the Palin daughter-gets-knocked-up joke by Letterman.

Ummm. The media covered the joke about Chelsea, too; a joke by Limbaugh is no less disgusting than a joke by Bill Maher or David Letterman. Are you sure you want to go there?

Everybody should just lay off the children though, whatever the backstory is.

No argument there. An adult poking fun at a child just makes the adult look stupid and pathetic.

[bleeding heart]

Ummm. The media covered the joke about Chelsea, too; a joke by Limbaugh is no less disgusting than a joke by Bill Maher or David Letterman. Are you sure you want to go there?

Yeah, I thought that a slightly odd response.

[sharkman]

Ummm. The media covered the joke about Chelsea, too; a joke by Limbaugh is no less disgusting than a joke by Bill Maher or David Letterman. Are you sure you want to go there?

What I was doing was comparing the Limbaugh "My fat daughters" joke to the 14 year old daughter of Palin getting knocked up by a 30 something baseball player joke. I think one of these jokes is more disgusting than the other. But equally disgusting comments can be found on both sides, if that's what you mean.

[jacee]

Muslim rage over film echoes back to Islam’s internal struggles

DUBAI,United Arab Emirates —At the height of the latest Islamic rage,one of the Muslim world’s first media-celebrity imams told worshippers they were indeed witnessing a clash of civilizations. But just not the kind you think.

This one also is within Islam,and it helps explain the multiple personalities of the fury.

It’s political: The uncompromising ethos of extremism clawing for any gains against more moderate voices. It’s social: Fed by an explosive blend of economic stagnation,anger over U.S.-led wars ...

I think this is getting closer to the truth.

Edited September 16, 2012 by jacee

[Moonlight Graham]

More evidence that you take your life into your own hands when you become a foreign diplomat for the US stationed in a Muslim-dominated country.

[bud]

I can never figure out why left-wingers seem to have problems with nuclear power, and with the U.S. having nuclear-tipped missiles in Europe (remember the nuclear freeze demonstrations) but have no problem with Iran having weapons. There are mysteries in life.

including the 5, why should we pretend israel, pakistan and india do not have nuclear weapons? either no one can have it or everyone can. who the fuck are you or me to say someone can't have something that we can have?

[jacee]

I can never figure out why left-wingers seem to have problems with nuclear power, and with the U.S. having nuclear-tipped missiles in Europe (remember the nuclear freeze demonstrations) but have no problem with Iran having weapons. There are mysteries in life.

It's the double standard ... the US has nuclear weapons so who are they to talk?

And the liklihood of another excuse for another imperialist war of aggression.

[jacee]

More evidence that you take your life into your own hands when you become a foreign diplomat for the US stationed in a Muslim-dominated country.

Where there are extremists.

That's the point of the article.

[eyeball]

I can never figure out why left-wingers seem to have problems with nuclear power, and with the U.S. having nuclear-tipped missiles in Europe (remember the nuclear freeze demonstrations) but have no problem with Iran having weapons. There are mysteries in life.

I can never figure out why right wingers believe half the things they do about left wingers.

I'd have little problem with expanding nuclear power if I could trust the government to properly regulate it, that's one BIG humongous if but, you know me... just SHOW me. As for nuclear bombs I'd rather we build a few really nasty ones strictly for deterrence against invasion, and scrap every single part of the military that has anything to do with waging war outside oh say...our EEZ.

I have as many problems with Iran having WMD's as I do the US having them, and for the same reason, but since it's not really my business and there's not a god-damn thing I can do that won't make a bad situation worse anyway...c'est la vie.

Edited September 17, 2012 by eyeball

[cybercoma]

It's the double standard ... the US has nuclear weapons so who are they to talk?

And the liklihood of another excuse for another imperialist war of aggression.

It's not a double standard because America is the good guy. They don't use their powers for evil.

[Bonam]

I'm not sure what's so hard for you folks to understand. The bigger and better armed you are, and the less well armed your potential enemies, the stronger and more secure your position (in general). Iran has aligned itself to stand against Western interests, and so we don't want it to have weapons that pose a threat to us or our allies. It's really pretty simple and straightforward.

[sharkman]

I can never figure out why left-wingers seem to have problems with nuclear power, and with the U.S. having nuclear-tipped missiles in Europe (remember the nuclear freeze demonstrations) but have no problem with Iran having weapons. There are mysteries in life.

You know you've made an excellent point when so many from the other point of view seek to condemn it!

Edited September 17, 2012 by sharkman

[bleeding heart]

You know you've made an excellent point when so many from the other point of view seek to condemn it!

Then eyeball, cybercoma, jacee, black dog and (why not? ) myself make, by your assessment, an awful lot of excellent points.

And I thank you for the compliment!