overthere Posted June 22, 2015 Report Posted June 22, 2015 Yep, the league has Cecil figured out. His best pitch is the curve, but he cannot regularly throw it for strikes. Big league hitters brains process a pitch like this:" spin on ball or no spin?"- thats what they have time for ..... If it has spin, don't swing and they walk. If there is no spin, its a poor fastball and Cecil gets crushed. The closers on other teams mostly just come out and fire heat. All is not lost for the Jays though, they have some offensive trade bait. Even getting some average fresh meat for the bullpen would be an improvement. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 So I guess Osuna has to be the closer now. That was pretty impressive last night. He was making Rays whiff hard. Struck out 5 of 6 batters he retired. Quote
Boges Posted June 24, 2015 Report Posted June 24, 2015 2/3 in Tampa. That was unheard of in previous years. Estrada takes a Perfect game in the 8th but gets a No Decision. I'm not bothered by this team's starting 5. I think they just need a lockdown arm. Delabar came in and got the save in extra innings today. Quote
overthere Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Gibbons must have been crapping his pants with Cecil in the 11th..... Good for the Jays, they won a game in a way that is rare for them. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
PrimeNumber Posted June 29, 2015 Report Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) 2/3 in Tampa. That was unheard of in previous years. Estrada takes a Perfect game in the 8th but gets a No Decision. I'm not bothered by this team's starting 5. I think they just need a lockdown arm. Delabar came in and got the save in extra innings today. Jays definitely need a closer. Jansen just wasn't the same after his injury, he was one of my favourite players. Just had that closer swagger. You know he can come in a throw pinpoint heat with just the right amount of junk and get you a save on any given night. A good closer is a rare commodity though. Edited June 29, 2015 by PrimeNumber Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
Boges Posted June 29, 2015 Report Posted June 29, 2015 Jays definitely need a closer. Jansen just wasn't the same after his injury, he was one of my favourite players. Just had that closer swagger. You know he can come in a throw pinpoint heat with just the right amount of junk and get you a save on any given night. A good closer is a rare commodity though. Osuna is playing that role right now. Runner on 3rd in 2 innings straight and he locks the Rangers down. BTW Who says the AL East is a bad division? 4 teams with 40 wins or more. Quote
Big Guy Posted June 29, 2015 Report Posted June 29, 2015 Watched that "exceptional" catch by Donaldson where he dove into the third base stands for a catch. I question the response to this catch. 1. I suggest an imaginary vertical line going up from the front of the stands. Anything to the seat side is an automatic foul ball, anything to the field side is playable. Josh almost crushed that little kid in glasses who ended up under his knees in the stands. 2. Donaldson is worth $millions and is an integral part of the Jays this year. For a player of his quality to dive headlong into fixed seats, cement and whatever objects are located in those stands is a dumb idea. All this for getting one player out - a player that could have struck out or played out. What if he would have come up with a piece of a seat stuck in his eye or broke some bone when hitting the cement? Not a good risk reward decision. Question - Donaldson was completely in the stands when he caught the ball. What if he would have climbed into the stands, stood up and then caught the ball. Would the batter have been an out? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted June 29, 2015 Report Posted June 29, 2015 Watched that "exceptional" catch by Donaldson where he dove into the third base stands for a catch. I question the response to this catch. 1. I suggest an imaginary vertical line going up from the front of the stands. Anything to the seat side is an automatic foul ball, anything to the field side is playable. Josh almost crushed that little kid in glasses who ended up under his knees in the stands. 2. Donaldson is worth $millions and is an integral part of the Jays this year. For a player of his quality to dive headlong into fixed seats, cement and whatever objects are located in those stands is a dumb idea. All this for getting one player out - a player that could have struck out or played out. What if he would have come up with a piece of a seat stuck in his eye or broke some bone when hitting the cement? Not a good risk reward decision. Question - Donaldson was completely in the stands when he caught the ball. What if he would have climbed into the stands, stood up and then caught the ball. Would the batter have been an out? Wow what a Canadian response to such an awesome play. He was trying to preserve a Perfect game for the pitcher. Fans at a baseball game are always warned about being potentially hurt during games. I was at the Jays game this weekend and several balls came very close. You have to pay attention. A woman get critically injured by a bat in Boston a few weeks ago. The team is not liable, their are warnings on your ticket. People compared the Donaldson catch to a play by Jeter, except it was better. He caught the ball in the field of play. How would your prospective rules prevent that? Quote
Big Guy Posted June 29, 2015 Report Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Looked at your example. I agree that the ball was in the field of play but there was not adequate protection for the player or fans. If you feel that this play satisfied the risk/reward comparison then that is your choice. I do not. To compare one out to the number of games that Donaldson can win for you is not of good value for me. And if he did not dive for that ball, what are the chances that the batter would eventually get on base and/or play a decisive roll in the win? There is protective screening behind home plate - why not extend it through the first and third base lines? The league has been looking at the value of the players. The changes in the rules for catchers protecting home plate on sliders is a good example. Time to look at the physical interactions of players and fans during the course of the game. Edited June 29, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted June 29, 2015 Report Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Talk to Steve Bartman about an imaginary vertical line. How can you expect a player to judge if the ball may or may not go into the stands? A player can get injured so many different ways. Marcus Stroman was lost for the season fielding bunts. Players can't play fearing injury, or they won't be very good. I've heard people propose having a netting up the entire line. There's merit to that idea. What about in the second level or pop up fouls? Or home runs? About children, if you're worried about the safety about a kid at a pro sporting event, perhaps don't have them in the front row. There was a viral video of a father catching a foul ball with his toddler in the other arm. A lot of people loved it, lots wear horrified. But the idea of catching a foul ball is part of the lore of a baseball game. I have a foul ball I got in a game. An older couple got a ball a row behind me at the recent game I went to, everyone was happy for them. I'm pretty sure attempting to remove that threat would make the appeal of a baseball game much less. Edited June 29, 2015 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted July 8, 2015 Report Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) So Felix Doubront comes in and pitches very well last night. Is he the stop gap between now and whenever Sanchez comes back? First Copeland came in and put together two decent starts before getting shelled. Boyd came in had a serviceable start before not being able to record an out before giving up 7 runs last week. Will Doubront be able to string together some nice starts? Hopefully. Clearly the Jays needs some pitching help, but it's a sellers market. Only like a third of the league are 6 games plus out of a playoff spot. The more teams, like these White Sox, fall out of contention and teams become sellers, AA will be able to make a deal. The challenge for this lot is to stay in contention until AA can make a deal. Osuna has the closer spot locked down for now. Edited July 8, 2015 by Boges Quote
overthere Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 How many pitchers would it take to make the Jays a playoff team instead of a .500 team? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) How many pitchers would it take to make the Jays a playoff team instead of a .500 team? Dunno. But hey! Troy Tulowitzki Jose Reyes definitely needed to go. He was a liability in the field. They did get some bullpen help in that trade but they certainly need a starter. Edited July 28, 2015 by Boges Quote
Big Guy Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 Maybe now unload Batista for 2 good arms? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 Maybe now unload Batista for 2 good arms? No way. His contract is up next year. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 No way. His contract is up next year.So he will be significantly more attractive in his expiring year as opposed to the pentultimate year? Take the chance for more shoulder injury? Quote
Boges Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 So he will be significantly more attractive in his expiring year as opposed to the pentultimate year? Take the chance for more shoulder injury? He's valuable. Just not THAT valuable. Won't get 2 starting pitchers for a 34 year old slugger. Quote
Shady Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 Good trade for the Jays dumping Reyes for Tulowitski. Quote
overthere Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 Bautista will decline in value from here until he hits free agency. Trade him today. Tulo is a better player than Reyes today but has a long history of injury and a monster contract...... The Jays gave up three pitching prospects too, so the winner of the trade is not so clear. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 David Price is a Blue Jay! AA did go the Rent-a-Player route. Quote
Big Guy Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 Now unload Batista. Price gets half of what Batista gets. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 Now unload Batista. Price gets half of what Batista gets. Are you on drugs? Dave Price is the best pitcher this city has seen since Roy Halladay. No one, sans the Mets, are in the market for a veteran slugger with only a year left on their contract and willing to give up a starting pitcher. EE could be dealt for mid to low level talent and I'd welcome it. But Bautista is this team's leader. Quote
blueblood Posted July 31, 2015 Report Posted July 31, 2015 Bautista will decline in value from here until he hits free agency. Trade him today. Tulo is a better player than Reyes today but has a long history of injury and a monster contract...... The Jays gave up three pitching prospects too, so the winner of the trade is not so clear. The jays dont have much of a window. Its been go for it for a couple years and they may get a couple more. Joey bats is 34 and in decline already. Max trade value would have been a few years ago. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Boges Posted July 31, 2015 Report Posted July 31, 2015 The Jays got Tulo and Price for 6 prospects. No one is going to give the Jays what they need to win now for Bautista. The Mets are the only exception. They have great pitching but can't hit. Quote
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