overthere Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Team of Destiny? 9th inning comeback with 2 outs (Tulo got the clutch hit) on the same day the Spanks get pasted 15-1. well, in reality they did not take that game as much as the Rangers just gave it away. Walk, walk, bloop by Tulo and an error on a routine play. But am I allowed to critique a win? Price pitching tonight Edited August 26, 2015 by overthere Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 well, in reality they did not take that game as much as the Rangers just gave it away. Walk, walk, bloop by Tulo and an error on a routine play. But am I allowed to critique a win? Price pitching tonight Gotta be good to be lucky. Since the Trades, the Jays have played 8 games against teams that hold the second wild card spot. They're 8-0. The Rangers are the best one they've faced so far though. Quote
Boges Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 Bummer of a loss yesterday but had anyone said the Jays would go 6-2 in this past road trip I'd have done a happy dance. Joey Bats made a HUGE! error. Despite the score the Jays had many chances to win that game. Estrada pitched well, Texas is a good team, We'll move on to the Shitty Tigers. Ben Revere is doing very well now. I'll still come back to Justin Smoak, I guess he's being platooned but he's the most inefficient hitter on the team sans Josh Thole. Collabello and EE both hit way better than him. Smoak has been clutch but recently but is his defence worth the diminished offensive production? Quote
Big Guy Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 Saw the highlights. Jays left 8 guys stranded - not a winning combination. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
overthere Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 Smoak has been clutch but recently but is his defence worth the diminished offensive production? You could ask the same question of Tulo, who plays and leads off every day. His offence is not good, and he has very few clutch hits since he came to the Jays. But he adds a dimension of fine fielding that matters. They need to move him into the 6 or 7 spot, and Revere into leadoff until Tulo wakes up. They Jays are using Smoak well IMO. They have a great record when he is in the game, though he often gets into games late, when the Jays are winning, as a defensive specialist. He is a switch hitter too, very important in a team full of right hand bats Colabello is having a fine year at the plate, but sucks in the field. EE is average in the field, but you cannot take his bat out. So, EE every day either at first or DH. Smoak a situational platoon at first plus late game insert, and an occasional DH or pinch hitter. Colabello a regualr DH, occasional first base, and sometimes pinch hitter. Pretty much what they do now. The Jays also need to give Martin a week off, he looks hurt all the time. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 Martin is an offensive hole right about now. This is where the coach needs to sit him, as you say. Gibby was asked last week about it and said Martin isn't complaining. I bet Matt Boyd is happy to be back in the Rogers Centre tonight. This Detroit series is set to be an absolute destruction of the Tigers. Saying that watch them win 2 of 3. Quote
overthere Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 Martin is like Tulo though- so good defensively that you cannot take them out entirely. Martin is banged up and needs to sit for a week, Navarro can handle the job. They cannot really replace Tulo at SS though, not for very long. Both are at least hitting over .200, but Tulo is just not getting on base enough which is Job One for leadoff guys. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 What a display by EE on the weekend. It's too bad that the Yankees got to play the horrible Braves this weekend so the Jays gained no ground. Martin hit homers in back to back games, perhaps he's on the mend. Revere got promoted to leadoff yesterday, FINALLY!!!! Quote
Boges Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Nice Walkoff win last night by Ryan Goins. Too bad the Yanks won too. Quote
Boges Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) He should have been out, the throw beat him. I'm not even sure he didn't get tagged but the video wasn't conclusive. Anything Bringer of Rain does turns to Gold right now. Edited September 3, 2015 by Boges Quote
Big Guy Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Watched the replays and played it back a few times through the slo-mo of the PVR. He was clearly safe - and the beneficial recipient of the new rules on how the catcher can and cannot protect the plate. I think this is a good example of why the rule was brought in. Under the old conditions and Donaldsons enthusiastic play, is a good possibility that a major collision would have taken place and we would see Donaldson out for a while. Good rule. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Stroman healing well in minors. Stroman comes - who goes? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Stroman healing well in minors. Stroman comes - who goes? At this point Buehrle. Price, Dickey and Estrada seem untouchable and will certainly be on a post season roster. This weekend Price has been moved up giving Buehrle some more rest. He's showing his age and has been hit hard in the last few games. He was responsible for the Jays last non-competitive loss. (Against Philly) Hutch would have been easy to drop out of the rotation in early August but has put together some really impressive starts and didn't seem to bothered about being sent down to the minors to make roster room on road trip where he wasn't needed. I don't think there's enough time to see if Stroman can prove he's worth a post-season start though. He'll have to be put in, in a low leverage situation (Like a blowout). Is that enough to prove he can pitch in the playoffs? I don't see him getting a start unless Buehrle puts together a few more shitty starts. Also keep in mind you only need 4 starters in a post-season series. Edited September 3, 2015 by Boges Quote
overthere Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Agree on Buehrle. He is "Most Likely To Get Crushed Early" by a strong hitting team. But I would not take him out to put Stroman in as a starter. And there is no reason at all to hurry Stroman back for big innings of work, he has hopefully a long career ahead. I'd consider Hutch as long relief in the playoffs, perhaps the same with Stroman. Sanchez could also pitch more than one inning. It is conceivable to go with 3 starters in the playoffs and your three are the best picks at this point. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) A lot of it depends on how the Jays September goes. They've been a game and half up on the Yankees for a week now, they aren't going away. Except for the seven games against the Yankees and perhaps the Rays, the Jays get to play teams that are pretty much out of it most of September. They get the same Braves team the Yankees teed off against next week. If the Yankees fall off and clinching the division looks more certain then perhaps they can give Buehrle a start off and see if Stroman can hack it. But if every game means keeping the division lead or letting having the Yankees pass you, then only proven pitchers can be let in, in high leverage situations. Otherwise Stroman will only see action in garbage time. Edited September 3, 2015 by Boges Quote
overthere Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 I doubt the Jays have any plans to get Stroman back into a starting role unless it is some kind of multiple-injury scenario. And they definitely want to avoid the stupid one game wild card playoff scenario. Near the end of the season. If they think that they'll be in the wild card game, they will pretty much have to diddle their rotation to get Price as starter in that game. The playoffs start 2 nights after the WC game, so the rotation for that series is pooched from the beginning for the wild card winner. Win the division........! If they do, they are very likely to face the Astros, a much easier proposition than the Royals. Look at me, getting waaaaaay ahead of myself. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 I doubt the Jays have any plans to get Stroman back into a starting role unless it is some kind of multiple-injury scenario. And they definitely want to avoid the stupid one game wild card playoff scenario. Near the end of the season. If they think that they'll be in the wild card game, they will pretty much have to diddle their rotation to get Price as starter in that game. The playoffs start 2 nights after the WC game, so the rotation for that series is pooched from the beginning for the wild card winner. Win the division........! If they do, they are very likely to face the Astros, a much easier proposition than the Royals. Look at me, getting waaaaaay ahead of myself. Everyone is doing that. The Jays would have to do a Leafs level collapse to not make the playoffs. They'll get to beat up on the O's, Red Sox and Braves this month. The 7 games against the Yankees are key but the Yankees have been winning against very poor teams to keep pace. We'll see how the Yankees handle the Rays this weekend, they aren't completely out of it. They didn't fare well against the same Indians team that the Jays just won 2/3 against. If Buehrle doesn't pitch well Sunday, I do think a spot start from Stroman may be possible. This all is contingent on how close the Yankees are to them though. Quote
overthere Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 The Jays would have to do a Leafs level collapse to not make the playoffs. do not ever say that out loud again. I doubt that what the Yankees are doing or not doing will influence Jays pitching decisions much. And it is folly to assume anything, there are no easy wins. The very best teams in baseball win about 60% of their games........ Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 Stroman will start in New York on Saturday. What a way to start your season. Quote
overthere Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 I was wrong. 6 man rotation? Or are Stroman, Buehrle and Hutchison auditioning for a place in a 5 man rotation, odd man gets demotion? The Jays look a little bit now like the Jays of early season, a couple of games have swung on small things that could have gone either way. They need to arrive in NYC on a winning note. I like the way the Yanks lost last night, home run by Davis in the 9th at Yankee stadium. Healthy teams are crticial, and September can be a cruel month with everybody beat up. The Jays have some guys on the limp including Travis, Goins, maybe Martin, maybe Buehrle. The Yankees might have lost starter Eovaldi and Texeira remains hurt. That is worse for the Yankees because their offence is not so deep as the Jays, but the Jays pitching is still -to me- suspect. After Price, I don't have much confidence in their starters to win playoff games. And the Jays would see some very good opposition pitching in the playoffs. Here's hoping all our pitchers stay healthy. Why do they keep going to Aaron Loup? He has clearly lost his mojo. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) I was wrong. 6 man rotation? Or are Stroman, Buehrle and Hutchison auditioning for a place in a 5 man rotation, odd man gets demotion? The Jays look a little bit now like the Jays of early season, a couple of games have swung on small things that could have gone either way. They need to arrive in NYC on a winning note. I like the way the Yanks lost last night, home run by Davis in the 9th at Yankee stadium. Healthy teams are crticial, and September can be a cruel month with everybody beat up. The Jays have some guys on the limp including Travis, Goins, maybe Martin, maybe Buehrle. The Yankees might have lost starter Eovaldi and Texeira remains hurt. That is worse for the Yankees because their offence is not so deep as the Jays, but the Jays pitching is still -to me- suspect. After Price, I don't have much confidence in their starters to win playoff games. And the Jays would see some very good opposition pitching in the playoffs. Here's hoping all our pitchers stay healthy. Why do they keep going to Aaron Loup? He has clearly lost his mojo. We'll see about Hutch tonight. He's obviously not Top 3 but he's been better lately. The same Chris Davis who beat the Yanks last night abused him Friday. Buerhle is clearly hurt. He won't pitch again until Atlanta next week, he got a Cortisone shot yesterday. Price, Dickey and Estrada are competitive with any team in the league starting pitching wise, especially in the AL. We'll see what Stroman has on Saturday. If he's the Stroman of last year he's the second best pitcher on the team. Dickey was lights out last night and should have got the W if the Jays didn't hit into so many double plays. Estrada hasn't pitched a bad game in, I can't remember when. Being forgot in all this is how awesome Cecil has been pitching since June as a middle inning reliever. Travis is out for the year, it seems Martin has come around. Goins didn't play last night because they needed the right hand bat for the pitcher they were facing, he's fine. Loupe is only up cuz the roster is expanded, he won't pitch in a high leverage situation. Edited September 9, 2015 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Well Hutch sucks again. Good thing the Yankees haven't been able to make up ground. Sans the Stroman game which no one knows what will happen the Jays have their 3 best starters pitching against the Spanks. Price, Dickey and Estrada "SHOULD" be able to win those games. After this series they only have road games against Baltimore and the AAA Atlanta Braves. It would still take a huge collapse for them to not win this division. I think fans are used to them winning 6 of every 7 games. Even excellent teams only win 7 of 10. Quote
overthere Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Well Hutch sucks again. It is easy to lose track of the reality that Hutchison has sucked a lot more than he has pitched well. It would still take a huge collapse for them to not win this division. They are only 1.5 games ahead and not playing well . A 1.5 game lead is not much with 23 games to play, and the Wankees have a game in hand. It would be a huge collapse if the Jays did not get a wild card berth. I think fans are used to them winning 6 of every 7 games. Even excellent teams only win 7 of 10. The Jays have had a crazy good run since the all star break at 28-9, which means they have won 3 out of 4 games. Overall, they haven;t cracked .600 and probably won't before the season end. The mark of excellence is really at .600, 6 wins out of 10. There are only two teams at that level in MLB, both in the National League, and both barely at that. The Jays need to split this series in New York, I'd be happy with that. This is an unusual year. In the National League, the season is effectively over since the Giants are the closest contender to a WC berth and they are 9 games out. That is nearly impossible to make up. Also unusual is that three teams from one division are locks for the playoffs. In the AL, the only likely race is over the second WC berth. The Jays or Wanks will take the top WC slot, and Texas or Twins will fight over the second one. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
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