bush_cheney2004 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 I watched much of tonight's debate, and the tax return portion was definitely a weak moment for Mitt. I don't think it was Stephane Dion bad, but it sure didn't help him any, and might cost him what could have been an opportunity to bury Newt once and for all. Gingrich has buried himself in personal baggage...Romney can ride out any tax dodge when the audience is Republican. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 Gingrich has buried himself in personal baggage...Romney can ride out any tax dodge when the audience is Republican. One of the few times I agree with you. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Manny Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 One of the few times I agree with you. Is that considered a "toxic endorsement"? Quote
Guest Manny Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 They'll have his tax returns out in public well before the election. True but it might not give him adequate protection. Clearly there is something there that gets under Romney's skin. A skeleton in the closet... He very defensively stated "I don't have to apologize for being a success!" No Mr. Romney. But is there something you do need to apologize for? Because when confronted about income, he acts like a cornered rat. Quote
waldo Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 He very defensively stated "I don't have to apologize for being a success!" No Mr. Romney. But is there something you do need to apologize for? Because when confronted about income, he acts like a cornered rat. Romney states he expects his tax-rate is at/near 15%... he explains why it's there... as you say, he repeatedly has stated he won't apologize for being successful. We get that, "them that gots, gets"! So.....just what is Mitt Romney hiding? Quote
jbg Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 I agree Mitt should release his returns promptly. I do see his point, though, of the "water torture" effect of releasing some now, and then more in April. Why face the music twice, from his point of view? All the same I think he's making a mistake. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 Oh I see. I guess Paul is more eluding too that the system is broken and needs fixing. Which allowed Romney and Bain to get away with what they did. Like they say, don't hate the playah, hate the game. The game is rigged. What if the players were the ones who rigged the game by bribing the referee? Can you hate them then? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 He very defensively stated "I don't have to apologize for being a success!" No Mr. Romney. But is there something you do need to apologize for? Because when confronted about income, he acts like a cornered rat. That's because he knows he's going to be attacked for paying the captial gains tax rate on income that's in fact capital gains (which is the law). But regardless, ee know's the details of the issue won't be discussed, but only demagogued. Quote
waldo Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 That's because he knows he's going to be attacked for paying the captial gains tax rate on income that's in fact capital gains (which is the law). But regardless, ee know's the details of the issue won't be discussed, but only demagogued. nonsense - Romney himself has explained his income sources, stated he's taxed at/close to the 15% rate, and qualified the rate in terms of his stated income stream/sources. What more could there be... what could Mitt be hiding? Hey now, surely it's not something like showing he hasn't been meeting his Mormon income donation obligations - say it ain't so! Release your past income tax returns Mitt! Quote
GostHacked Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 What if the players were the ones who rigged the game by bribing the referee? Can you hate them then? You can, but the game is still the thing to hate. Lobbying is part of the bribing culture. The game needs to be changed, and rules/regulations upheld. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 Looks as if Romney is going to release his tax returns: link Quote
punked Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Looks as if Romney is going to release his tax returns: link And now we get to see how much money, the guy who loves America and thinks he should run the country, has kept in places that aren't America. How much he has invested to grow other countries instead of his own, all to save 1 or 2% on his taxes because that is more important then American jobs and investing in the country he loves. PS. Shady looks like Bain was a big issue, and didn't backfire at all. PPS he thinks 1 year is good enough now? Obama has 12 years out, Romney's own father said a candidate should release 10-12 years for full disclosure. This issue aint going away with one year. Edited January 22, 2012 by punked Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 PPS he thinks 1 year is good enough now? Obama has 12 years out, Romney's own father said a candidate should release 10-12 years for full disclosure. This issue aint going away with one year.\I believe Newt Gingrich has been the most vocal about Romney not releasing his tax returns, and to my knowledge, Newt's only released his 2010 return - so we shall see. Quote
punked Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 \ I believe Newt Gingrich has been the most vocal about Romney not releasing his tax returns, and to my knowledge, Newt's only released his 2010 return - so we shall see. Newt has his own problems no is talking about. Freddie Mac said the other day they could care less if Newt releases the details of his 1+ million dollar contract for being a "Historian". Something tells that no where in that contract did they employ him for a Million plus to be a "Historian" that sounds about as believable as Romney's "I wont releases my tax returns because they are boring and Democrats will make something out of nothing" argument. The Republicans are damaged goods, No has even touched on Newt Divorcing his his first wife who had Cancer (which she died from) and the details there, or even strung together footage of him railing against Clinton for cheating on his wife. No one has mentioned Romney employing Illegals at his house or that his Dad(maybe his grand Dad) was born in Mexico because his family had to flee there because polygamy. Seriously. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 ...his Dad(maybe his grand Dad) was born in Mexico because his family had to flee there because polygamy. Seriously. His father was born in Mexico because his grandfather - that's Mitt's great grandfather - and his three wives had fled to Mexico in 1886. That's 1886. The nineteenth century. What does that have to do with Mitt and the twenty-first century? If people do bring that up, I will find it as annoying as I found the whole Obama-Kenya-Muslim thing. Quote
punked Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 His father was born in Mexico because his grandfather - that's Mitt's great grandfather - and his three wives had fled to Mexico in 1886. That's 1886. The nineteenth century. What does that have to do with Mitt and the twenty-first century? If people do bring that up, I will find it as annoying as I found the whole Obama-Kenya-Muslim thing. That is the point 10-15% of the Republican base made a huge deal out of Obama's families history and now all of a sudden it doesn't matter? Doesn't fly those people still think Family history is a big deal even if half of them stay home election day it is a big win for Obama. Quote
punked Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) I guess Romney's response to why he wont release 12 years of returns like his father is and I quote because tha was “before the internet.” He is scared of what people will find in other returns. I don't see how this is any better for him. He is still hiding stuff and he is still going to get hit until re releases as many as Obama or Bush or his father. I bet we see Newt release more returns to ratchet this up. Wow Fail. Running on not being transparent never works. Sorry even in a bad election year for the Dems it wont work. Edited January 22, 2012 by punked Quote
sharkman Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 I think the 12 returns is a false benchmark that is outside of the norm. For instance, how many contenders in the last 50 years have released 12 returns? At any rate, just this morning Mitt has agreed to releae data for 2010 and 2011. He was foolish to be coy about it until now since it became an issue. Quote
Topaz Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 I not much about this race in the US but I did happen to listen to a conservation from a US journalist talking about how Romney business experience helped the US economy not worsen like Europes and that Newt KNEW it and decided to ignore the info. because he is running for president. I think Newt, would be like getting two GW's and he also supports the NWO. Questions should be asking about going to war and I bet you'll find Newt is all for it no matter what. Is he another boomer that escaped Nam? Quote
punked Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 I think the 12 returns is a false benchmark that is outside of the norm. For instance, how many contenders in the last 50 years have released 12 returns? At any rate, just this morning Mitt has agreed to releae data for 2010 and 2011. He was foolish to be coy about it until now since it became an issue. How many? Obama, Bush II, Clinton.....Starting to see a pattern. Like it or not it is an issue in this election and there is no reason why he shouldn't release them. We got another problem now, before someone might say "I wont release my tax returns because I am scared the media wont report everything in them honestly and will pick this or that." Internet age you can release the whole thing on the internet and let people see for themselves. It is easy to access you don't have to send 300 million copies to make sure everyone knows just what is in them. People in the internet age want transparency and wont settle anymore for excuses. Tax returns will be the new norm that is that. Quote
Shady Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 I think the 12 returns is a false benchmark that is outside of the norm. For instance, how many contenders in the last 50 years have released 12 returns? At any rate, just this morning Mitt has agreed to releae data for 2010 and 2011. He was foolish to be coy about it until now since it became an issue. I tend to agree. As long as an individual submits their taxes to the IRS for review and approval, I just don't think what people do legally with their own money should be anybody else's business. Same with the new fad of releasing medical records. That should be private as well. As long as one gets a review from a doctor, the specifics of one's personal medical history should remain private. But that's probably just my opinion. Quote
punked Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 I tend to agree. As long as an individual submits their taxes to the IRS for review and approval, I just don't think what people do legally with their own money should be anybody else's business. Same with the new fad of releasing medical records. That should be private as well. As long as one gets a review from a doctor, the specifics of one's personal medical history should remain private. But that's probably just my opinion. To bad the American people disagree. Reagan went through this as Governor I believe he got lucky he had time for the heat to die and Nacy really stuck up for him, but if I remember from what I read then 75% of the public said he need to release his tax returns. Those opinions haven't changed. Quote
Shady Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 To bad the American people disagree. Reagan went through this as Governor I believe he got lucky he had time for the heat to die and Nacy really stuck up for him, but if I remember from what I read then 75% of the public said he need to release his tax returns. Those opinions haven't changed. Liked I said, it's probably just my opinion. Quote
sharkman Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 I not much about this race in the US but I did happen to listen to a conservation from a US journalist talking about how Romney business experience helped the US economy not worsen like Europes and that Newt KNEW it and decided to ignore the info. because he is running for president. I think Newt, would be like getting two GW's and he also supports the NWO. Questions should be asking about going to war and I bet you'll find Newt is all for it no matter what. Is he another boomer that escaped Nam? Newt would be like getting 2 Dubyas? Man, you really need to bone up on Newt. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 And now we get to see how much money, the guy who loves America and thinks he should run the country, has kept in places that aren't America. How much he has invested to grow other countries instead of his own, all to save 1 or 2% on his taxes because that is more important then American jobs and investing in the country he loves. PS. Shady looks like Bain was a big issue, and didn't backfire at all. PPS he thinks 1 year is good enough now? Obama has 12 years out, Romney's own father said a candidate should release 10-12 years for full disclosure. This issue aint going away with one year. Yeah right. The delay was probably to give his "accountants" time to cook the books. Quote
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