Goddess Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Still doesn't make Muslims irredeemable or worthy of condemnation based on their religion alone. No one has said that. You and others keep spouting that that's what's being said, but it's really not. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Yzermandius19 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, dialamah said: I support exterminating ideas. you can't kill an idea fool's errand Quote
dialamah Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: you can't kill an idea fool's errand I feel like I should clarify: I support exterminating actions that result from bad ideas. Or at least trying to. Better? Quote
dialamah Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, Goddess said: No one has said that. You and others keep spouting that that's what's being said, but it's really not. Clearly you fail to grasp what some people have posted. Quote
WestCanMan Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Still doesn't make Muslims irredeemable or worthy of condemnation based on their religion alone. Stop putting words in our mouths. No one said that all muslims are irredeemable. Quote People are born into the culture with no blame for its past wrongs, just like Canadians and Catholics are. You're quick to act like Canada is horrible because 215 kids died of the Spanish flu or TB over 100 years ago, in residential schools which we all agree brought shame to our culture, and now you're distancing muslims from the actions that are committed by hundreds of thousands of muslims today and supported by tens of millions. Almost every muslim on earth cheers when they see thousands of murder rockets flying into Israel, while the Israeli military has killed less than 100,000 soldiers and terrorists since their existence, and almost no women and children. Almost all muslims want Israel wiped off the map "because of their human rights abuses". Muslims don't care at all about Pakistan, which was created at the same time the same way, where they have committed two genocides killing ten+ million people, including women and children. That wasn't done with bombs, it involved tens of thousands of men willing to slaughter people with small arms fire and knives. Their human rights abuses make Israel look like paradise. The appalling, world-wide level of bigotry from the muslim religion is sickening, and you're an enabler/defender of that violent bigotry. You share their propaganda and shout down accurate and truthful criticism. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
Yzermandius19 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 27 minutes ago, dialamah said: I feel like I should clarify: I support exterminating actions that result from bad ideas. Or at least trying to. Better? people will act on bad ideas regardless of your desire to exterminate the bad actions you can reduce the problem, but it's not going to be exterminated Quote
Infidel Dog Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 And even if these "bad" ideas could be "exterminated" who's going to decide which ideas are bad? Lady di? No thank you. Quote
Infidel Dog Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 "Exterminating" ideas sounds a lot like Cancel Culture to me. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) the only way to exterminate all the bad ideas or bad actions of human beings is to exterminate all those who think and act death solves all problems - no man, no problem Stalin knows not exactly a desirable outcome Edited June 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Goddess Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, dialamah said: Clearly you fail to grasp what some people have posted. No, I just don't re-interpret what they've said. Probably because I don't believe that criticism of Islam = demonizing ALL Muslims or that the person criticizing wants to kill them. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
dialamah Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Goddess said: No, I just don't re-interpret what they've said. Probably because I don't believe that criticism of Islam = demonizing ALL Muslims or that the person criticizing wants to kill them. You're forever reinterpreting what I say. Quote
Goddess Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, dialamah said: You're forever reinterpreting what I say. OK. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
dialamah Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: the only way to exterminate all the bad ideas or bad actions of human beings is to exterminate all those who think and act death solves all problems - no man, no problem Stalin knows not exactly a desirable outcome I think education goes a long way towards towards eradicting both bad ideas and actions. Caveat is that it needs to be quality education and focus on teaching critical thinking. Religion works against thar, so I suppose its kind of a catch-22. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, dialamah said: I think education goes a long way towards towards eradicting both bad ideas and actions. Caveat is that it needs to be quality education and focus on teaching critical thinking. Religion works against thar, so I suppose its kind of a catch-22. education does not eradicate bad ideas or actions or even come close to it wishful thinking is a helluva drug Quote
Goddess Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: education does not eradicate bad ideas or actions or even come close to it wishful thinking is a helluva drug I agree. And especially when it comes to religious ideas and actions. If a person believes that men have been given the right by God to rule over women, you can talk feminism til you're blue in the face. Honour killings and FGM occur in countries where it's against the law and they know they will be prosecuted - it doesn't stop them. When a person thinks God commands something - it's rare that human reasoning can overcome a belief like that. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Yzermandius19 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Goddess said: I agree. And especially when it comes to religious ideas and actions. If a person believes that men have been given the right by God to rule over women, you can talk feminism til you're blue in the face. Honour killings and FGM occur in countries where it's against the law and they know they will be prosecuted - it doesn't stop them. When a person thinks God commands something - it's rare that human reasoning can overcome a belief like that. atheists are just as capable of treating women poorly singling out religion is silly Edited June 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote
Goddess Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: atheists are just as capable of treating women poorly singling out religion is silly Meh. Religion has had a very big hand in the mistreatment of women since time began. I get what you're trying to say though....I recently was told by someone who doesn't believe in God that men have one less rib than women.....? Last vestiges of a religious upbringing. To his credit, he googled it and found I was right. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Yzermandius19 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Goddess said: Meh. Religion has had a very big hand in the mistreatment of women since time began. I get what you're trying to say though....I recently was told by someone who doesn't believe in God that men have one less rib than women.....? Last vestiges of a religious upbringing. To his credit, he googled it and found I was right. reason can be abused to justify all sorts of bad things, as can faith faith can be used to justify all sorts of good things, as can reason they are what you make of them both have been responsible for good and bad throughout history including the mistreatment of women Edited June 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 46 minutes ago, dialamah said: I think education goes a long way towards towards eradicting both bad ideas and actions. Caveat is that it needs to be quality education and focus on teaching critical thinking. Religion works against thar, so I suppose its kind of a catch-22. Go back through all of your posts and then tell me who needs some 'education' by your standards..... According to you, Canada needs to stop forcing FN children into res schools to be murdered some day in the near future, the US need to become less racist than the rest of the world because they were the only slavers, police need to let people shoot tasers at their heads from close range, muslims don't commit more terrorist attacks than other religions/cultures, etc. I can't take you seriously. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
dialamah Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: education does not eradicate bad ideas or actions or even come close to it wishful thinking is a helluva drug Countries with the most educated people are generally the most progressive. Countries with the least educated people usually have the most religiousity and are less progressive. Education makes a difference. 2 hours ago, Goddess said: I agree. And especially when it comes to religious ideas and actions. The rate of FGM has declined by about 30% in Egypt, thanks to education. People who work in these places consider education key in changing minds. Why you'd deny the role of education in changing what people believe and behavior is a mystery. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted June 18, 2021 Report Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, dialamah said: Countries with the most educated people are generally the most progressive. Countries with the least educated people usually have the most religiousity and are less progressive. Education makes a difference. yet a lot of highly religious people are highly educated and moral people and a lot of atheists are uneducated and immoral people your knee jerk blaming of religiousity for lack of education and morality makes no sense, it is not the high religiousity that drives these factors in Muslim nations Edited June 18, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Goddess Posted June 18, 2021 Report Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, dialamah said: Why you'd deny the role of education in changing what people believe and behavior is a mystery. I didn't deny the role of education. I just pointed out its limitations. If education was all it took, then the rate of decline would be more than 30%. But yes, yay for the 30% Edited June 18, 2021 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
dialamah Posted June 18, 2021 Report Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Goddess said: But yes, yay for the 30% Progress is progress. Faster would be better, of course, not denying that. Quote
WestCanMan Posted June 19, 2021 Report Posted June 19, 2021 22 hours ago, dialamah said: Progress is progress. Faster would be better, of course, not denying that. We're not making 'progress' when we bring in people fast enough for them to start balkanizing instead of operating in a healthy multicultural society, and we cater to their balkanizing demands. "We want our own buildings, we want our own towns, we want other people to stop displaying their religious symbols while we display our own religious garb", etc. It's silly. If people want to live in a country where only their religion can be seen in public then they should have stayed where they were. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
Michael Hardner Posted June 19, 2021 Report Posted June 19, 2021 On 6/17/2021 at 1:13 PM, Goddess said: No one has said that. You and others keep spouting that that's what's being said, but it's really not. Ok, would you ban people from Canada if they were redeemable? Would you disparage them openly, as a people rather than dismantle the details of their belief system of they are redeemable? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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