Topaz Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 If North and South Korea go to war, Canada and other countries will be pulled into because of the UN alliance. Hopefully, that won't happen, especially since N.Korea does have nukes. This kind of war would probably included Air Force and Navy and some army unlike the war in Afghanistan. Do we have enough soldiers to fight two wars if the needed arises? http://beta.ca.news.yahoo.com/korean-war-could-involve-canada-federal-documents-suggest.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 This kind of war would probably included Air Force and Navy and some army unlike the war in Afghanistan. Do we have enough soldiers to fight two wars if the needed arises? For a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) If North and South Korea go to war, Canada and other countries will be pulled into because of the UN alliance. Hopefully, that won't happen, especially since N.Korea does have nukes. This kind of war would probably included Air Force and Navy and some army unlike the war in Afghanistan. Do we have enough soldiers to fight two wars if the needed arises? http://beta.ca.news.yahoo.com/korean-war-could-involve-canada-federal-documents-suggest.html They have one or two, nothing that will destroy the world. It would be rather stupid of them to use them especially on south korea. Edited November 27, 2010 by Alta4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 I see no compelling interest for Canada to borrow money from China to fight North Korea. If we get pulled into it we're stupid and stupid things happen to stupid people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 I see no compelling interest for Canada to borrow money from China to fight North Korea. If we get pulled into it we're stupid and stupid things happen to stupid people. Oh so do you think we should pull out of the UN since you would have us shirk our obligations set out in the UN cease fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 If we get pulled into it we're stupid and stupid things happen to stupid people. Well, that would completely depend on the circumstances. It may be that there is a good reason for us to intervene if things get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) I see no compelling interest for Canada to borrow money from China to fight North Korea. If we get pulled into it we're stupid and stupid things happen to stupid people. You know - when you put it that way it`s China that looks stupid. Why would they lend us money to fight their ostensible ally ? Edited November 27, 2010 by Michael Hardner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Well, that would completely depend on the circumstances. It may be that there is a good reason for us to intervene if things get worse. The only even remotely possible way that Canada would have a compelling interest in involvement would be to prevent the North from overrunning the south. But that scenario is extemely improbable. Whats more likely is that the South and the US will attack/invade the north on the pretense of a series of escalating skirmishes. It would turn into one of those 20 year long "regime change" adventures where we destroy a country then borrow money to rebuild the exact same stuff we just trashed, and attempt to force our way of life on people that cant stand us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 and attempt to force our way of life on people that cant stand us. Do you really think the North Koreans would be as hostile as Taliban are ? I don`t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Do you really think the North Koreans would be as hostile as Taliban are ? I don`t. there will be some, but nothing like the taliban... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 You know - when you put it that way it`s China that looks stupid. Why would they lend us money to fight their ostensible ally ? China has a massive conflict of interest. Theyre trying desperately to keep the US solvent despite the tenacity shown by the US government in driving that country into the ground. Its quite possible that China will keep buying US paper even though if theres a full scale war against one of their own allies, because at the end of the day they see the US as "too big to fail". They need to sell cheap crap to western consumers, more than they need their relationship with North Korea. Of course thats predicated on China not becoming a direct participant through some unfortunately series of events. All bets are off if that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 If North and South Korea go to war, Canada and other countries will be pulled into because of the UN alliance. Hopefully, that won't happen, especially since N.Korea does have nukes. This kind of war would probably included Air Force and Navy and some army unlike the war in Afghanistan. Do we have enough soldiers to fight two wars if the needed arises? http://beta.ca.news.yahoo.com/korean-war-could-involve-canada-federal-documents-suggest.html don't worry about it the war would be over before we got a chance to go there...and what could we contribute that would make a significant difference? NK has a million troops and another 8 million reserves...S Korea has over a half million and 3 million reserves...canada has 70K and 20K reserves...at most we could send a thousand maybe (probably not), we're not up to fighting a real war... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) Don't look now,but I just read that both South Korea and the US intend on going through with War Games in the region this week... Naval War Games in the Yellow Sea.... Edited November 27, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) Do you really think the North Koreans would be as hostile as Taliban are ? I don`t. I think much worse. Remember, by the time we even get to the point where we were trying to establish our version of government and civil authority, there would be a million dead North Koreans. Surely youre not still entertaining the "we'll be greeted as liberators!" axom in the face of so many hard lessons to the contrary? Afghanistan is a CAKE WALK in comparison, and we dont even show any signs of getting THAT one wrapped up in less than 20 years or so. Edited November 27, 2010 by dre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Don't look now,but I just read that both South Korea and the US intend on going through with War Games in the region this week... Yeah neither side seems interested in calming things down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Yeah neither side seems interested in calming things down. I agree... They both seem to be looking for a reason to start something... History tells us that when the war drums start beating loudly,very little can stop it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 I agree... They both seem to be looking for a reason to start something... History tells us that when the war drums start beating loudly,very little can stop it... We can only hope that those in power fully realize the awful consequences of what could come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 If North and South Korea go to war, Canada and other countries will be pulled into because of the UN alliance.... Not necessarily, as any UNSC resolution to use force would be vetoed by China and Russia. The UN is not a military "alliance" per se. As was the case in Iraq, Canada would be largely irrelevant to the order of battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 We can only hope that those in power fully realize the awful consequences of what could come. Well... I'm no Pacifist...In fact,I think Pacifism is morally bankrupt... I also think if anyone thought that this situation would hold in perpetuity,they were dreaming in technicolour... Sadly,I don't see many more diplomatic solutions to the questions about the Stalinist regime in North Korea.Frankly,they only seem to prolong he inevitable. On the positive side,I also don't think the Sino-Korean Treaty of 1960 is going to be honoured by the Chinese.I'm not sure that treaty applies to modern China which is 180 degrees the other way from the virulently Communist China that signed the treaty in 1960... All of this really depends on whatever response the North Koreans have in store... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 We can only hope that those in power fully realize the awful consequences of what could come. Dont worry... the people making the actual decisions will for the most part be insulated from any awful consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Dont worry... the people making the actual decisions will for the most part be insulated from any awful consequences. They always are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 S Korea has over a half million and 3 million reserves...canada has 70K and 20K reserves...at most we could send a thousand maybe (probably not), we're not up to fighting a real war... We have technology that the north doesn't. A single squadron of Leopard Tanks (unfortunately, we don't have one to spare at the moment as we have one operational combat squadron [with the other going through overhaul now] and two training squadrons going through overhaul) would take on far more NK tanks in terms of numbers. A few F-18s that have just been modernized would be similar. Canada could probably contribute about the same amount as we have in Afghanistan or even a bit more for a few months. Considering our Afghan mission is to be cut by 2/3 in a few months, we could probably maintain 2 - 3K soldiers for a year or two. The contribution would not have to be insignificant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 (edited) We have technology that the north doesn't. A single squadron of Leopard Tanks (unfortunately, we don't have one to spare at the moment as we have one operational combat squadron [with the other going through overhaul now] and two training squadrons going through overhaul) would take on far more NK tanks in terms of numbers. A few F-18s that have just been modernized would be similar. Canada could probably contribute about the same amount as we have in Afghanistan or even a bit more for a few months. Considering our Afghan mission is to be cut by 2/3 in a few months, we could probably maintain 2 - 3K soldiers for a year or two. The contribution would not have to be insignificant. We could do that... but it would incredibly stupid. We cant afford to help destroy North Korea and kill hundreds of thousands of people there or more, and then pay to rebuild it again after. Not sure if youve noticed this but we cant even afford to fund the daily operation of our own government. Dont make any commitments on my behalf ok? Not a penny. If you wanna take an extra job at night driving cab or something so that you have some extra money to spend on liberating North Koreans than go ahead, but count me out. Considering our Afghan mission is to be cut by 2/3 in a few months, we could probably maintain 2 - 3K soldiers for a year or two. The contribution would not have to be insignificant. Yeah Iv heard THAT one before... "Just a few troops for a year or two! Piece of cake! Greeted like liberators! It will take 6 months and pay for itself!". If were gonna get involved over there lets at LEAST be honest this time about the fact were likely to be there in some form for a few decades. Edited November 28, 2010 by dre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 The war games have started. We are are now counting on NK to show restraint to avoid a major war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 We have technology that the north doesn't. A single squadron of Leopard Tanks (unfortunately, we don't have one to spare at the moment as we have one operational combat squadron [with the other going through overhaul now] and two training squadrons going through overhaul) would take on far more NK tanks in terms of numbers. A few F-18s that have just been modernized would be similar. Canada could probably contribute about the same amount as we have in Afghanistan or even a bit more for a few months. Considering our Afghan mission is to be cut by 2/3 in a few months, we could probably maintain 2 - 3K soldiers for a year or two. The contribution would not have to be insignificant. with an adversaries of this size our contribution would insignificant...this wouldn't be a hangout in the base for a week then do a patrol or two maybe trade a few shots with some militia like in Afghanistan...this would be full on war, no place to hide, no rest or relief...many Canadians are under a mistaken impression Afghanistan is a tough mission, sorry no... compared to WW2, Korean war or Vietnam, Afghanistan is a minor skirmish, a bar fight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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