Kory Teneycke hot under the collar

[M.Dancer]

Scriblett, thanks for the link. I listened to a rep from Avaaz and Tory Teneycke on Power and Politics discussing the online petition. The Avaaz rep seemed to be saying the bogus signatures on his online petition constitute criminal offence and spoke about a possible police investigation. I never thought using the name Bugs Bunny on an online petition was a criminal act. Anyway, Avaaz will be pursuing the matter with the authorities.

I think talking about Sun TV in that controversial manner is great. The more controversy about Sun TV, the more people will get curious and will be interested in signing up for it. I have heard it said that even bad advertising can have a desirable impact because it gets consumers talking about the product.

His claim is empty posturing to cover the fact that his american lobby group is bogis.

[M.Dancer]

Since it was secret we don't know what was discussed, anything we say is hypothetical musing.

Politicians meeting people other politicians don't like.....The Horror!!!!

[M.Dancer]

scriblett, the cbc Power & Politics video shows the avaaz.org representative asking Teneycke what was discussed at the meeting you now acknowledge was secret. Teneycke wouldn't answer the question... care to speculate or offer a hypothetical assessment as to why Teneycke wouldn't answer that question?

apparently, the 'Fox News North' label really angers Teneycke.

Because he didn't want to. I watched that episode and came away with one thing.

I really dislike foreign lobby organizations meddling in Canadian culture. Shameful that other Canadians would go along with this.

[capricorn]

It would appear he/she doesn't get your point but despite posing a number of questions no one from the other side of the debate has stepped forward to answer Waldo.

Waldo is not interested in any answer that doesn't correspond to his/her view that the meeting was held secretly for nefarious reasons such a to clone Fox News.

I have my own theory about what went on at that meeting. Since you seem the type who would be respectful of other posters, I'll share it with you. Earlier in March 2009, a Fox News host apologized for mocking the Canadian military.

Canadians were outraged after the broadcast got a new lease on life Monday through the Internet. That unleashed a tirade of anti-American vitriol in cyberspace.

Canada's defence minister demanded — and got — an apology from the U.S. broadcaster, and his fellow Canadian politicians denounced the crassness of the coincidence on Parliament Hill.

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Dan Dugas, spokesman for Defence Minister Peter MacKay, had demanded an apology from "this so-called comedian" and his panel.

"These are despicable, hurtful and ignorant comments. No one is laughing and they owe Canada, and more importantly, the families of each one of our fallen heroes, an apology for their ill-informed mistakes," said Dugas.

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MacKay called for an apology in a brief interview with CTV News, saying, "it's crass, it's insensitive, it's in fact disgusting given the timing where Canada is just receiving back four fallen heroes."

MacKay said the Fox item represents "a very limited, uninformed view" that was not necessarily typical of all Americans.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/broadcast+mocks+Afghan+mission/1418836/story.html

Harper was already scheduled for an interview on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace in New York on March 29, 2009. While in New York, Harper then met with Murdoch on March 30. Was the meeting pre-arranged or on the spur of the moment? Who knows. But given the resulting political fallout in Washington and in Ottawa as a result of the Fox News program clip about Canadians troops, I don't think it's hard to imagine what was discussed.

Mind you, that is all speculation on my part as I have no proof of what was actually discussed at that March 30, 2009 meeting in New York.

[scribblet]

Yippers - even though Teneyke is involved, there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Mr. Harper, the CPC or any other conservatives are involved at all.

Maybe it's tin foil hat time LOL

[nicky10013]

Yippers - even though Teneyke is involved, there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Mr. Harper, the CPC or any other conservatives are involved at all.

Maybe it's tin foil hat time LOL

Again, coming from a person who thinks the entire media is a leftist plot, suggesting he wear a tin foil hat is quite humourous and incredibly hypocritical.

[Smallc]

And it is a lie because? Canada's Left often uses the Nordic countries as socialist models - so they are a good place to start:

Denmark - discontinued traditional censuses in 1970 and now rely on data from other registries.

Iceland - discontinued in 1952.

Netherlands - discontinued in 1981 and now use data from other registries.....citing privacy issues.

Sweden - discontinued in 1990 and now use other registries

So you want the government to keep a giant intrusive database on you? That's interesting. The nordic countries have gone to something better when it comes to data collection. It isn't better when it comes to being paranoid.

[scribblet]

Ahem - this is not about the census.

[waldo]

It would appear he/she doesn't get your point but despite posing a number of questions no one from the other side of the debate has stepped forward to answer Waldo. When both sides in an argument refuse to answer the others points it goes nowhere.

yes, that's right - no one will touch the questions... though lots of deflections are offered. Should we really be that surprised though... I mean, really... the media can't even get Soudas to comment on what actually was discussed at the meeting between Harper/Teneycke and the Fox News head-honchos.

the desperation hits a high note when capricorn parrots the blogging Tories spin machine... ya, ya - Harper/Teneycke met with Fox's Murdoch/Ailes to discuss Fox News' Red Eye programming. Of course, that capricorn reach-for is just so innocuous one wonders why Teneycke... or Soudas, wouldn't simply offer up that explanation in the first place. Krikey, for that matter they could say Harper was simply having a job interview for his next gig with Fox News.

[waldo]

His claim is empty posturing to cover the fact that his american lobby group is bogis.

you said you watched the CBC video... Teneycke didn't get any mileage with your American lobby group empty posturing either.

wake up Dancer - it's a global community out there... to suggest avaaz.org is an American lobby group shows you're missing a dance step. Avaaz.org, a global community - "the world in action"

Edited September 4, 2010 by waldo

[M.Dancer]

you said you watched the CBC video... Teneycke didn't get any mileage with your American lobby group empty posturing either.

wake up Dancer - it's a global community out there... to suggest avaaz.org is an American lobby group shows you're missing a dance step. Avaaz.org, a global community - "the world in action"

It is as american as is its prime backer, US citizen Soros...

http://www.whois.net/whois/avaaz.org

Sad that anyone would be okay for a foreign entity to influence canadian culture...

Edited September 4, 2010 by M.Dancer

[capricorn]

the desperation hits a high note when capricorn parrots the blogging Tories spin machine...

You seem familiar with something specific from blogging tories that advanced a similar opinion to mine. Therefore, it shouldn't be too hard for you to provide a link. Or is this fabrication on your part to discredit me. As you would say, "gave a go at it <snort> :lol: <snort>".

ya, ya - Harper/Teneycke met with Fox's Murdoch/Ailes to discuss Fox News' Red Eye programming. Of course, that capricorn reach-for is just so innocuous one wonders why Teneycke... or Soudas, wouldn't simply offer up that explanation in the first place. Krikey, for that matter they could say Harper was simply having a job interview for his next gig with Fox News.

Yup, as I pointed out to hazeleyes waldo is not really interested in what posters with a differing view have to say. The objective is to come back with inane comments and revert to the "dog with a bone" act.

[Smallc]

Ahem - this is not about the census.

Oh please, every thread goes off topic here.

[lukin]

George Soros = Master of Leftist Puppets

http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/2010/09/03/15242561.html#/comment/2010/09/03/pf-15242556.html

[kimmy]

Plus...Watch for the "They put on Michael Moore and Al Gore documentaries on CBC Newsworld!!!",stuff..

That was me, Jack. Nice of you to remember. And if you want a quick recap of how that discussion went, here it is:

-Nicky denied that CBCNW aired those documentaries.

-I proved that they did.

-Nicky conceded the point then talked about how great it was that a broadcaster was willing to air controversial material that challenges peoples' sensibilities.

-I asked him if he thought it would be great if CBCNW were to air the British documentary Undercover Mosque.

-Nicky declared that no, it would not be great, because it could have negative effects.

Free exchange of information and ideas is awesome... as long as it's information and ideas that support ideas you believe in.

-k

[capricorn]

George Soros = Master of Leftist Puppets

http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/2010/09/03/15242561.html#/comment/2010/09/03/pf-15242556.html

It's really not surprising that so many lefties and Liberals have no problem with Americans such as Soros and co. determine for them what constitutes free speech. They also want Obama-style economics and foreign policy, they want to mimic the present UK government and they want Ignatieff, who spent 34 solid years living and working outside Canada, as their Prime Minister. Anything and everything that doesn't bear the Canadian stamp. It's like they're living an identity crisis.

Edited September 5, 2010 by capricorn

[Shady]

Free exchange of information and ideas is awesome... as long as it's information and ideas that support ideas you believe in.

-k

You nailed it kimmy. But as usual, Jack's allergic to facts. It's interesting though. Apparently Canada can't have a "Fox News North", but we can have an "Al Jazeera West."

[kimmy]

Apparently Canada can't have a "Fox News North", but we can have an "Al Jazeera West."

Nobody has said that Sun TV can't broadcast. All that's been decided is that they can't have the premium license they applied for. I doubt Al Jazeera has one either.

-k

[Shady]

Nobody has said that Sun TV can't broadcast. All that's been decided is that they can't have the premium license they applied for. I doubt Al Jazeera has one either.

-k

I agree, if it's about premium licensing, than obviously that's a legitimate debate. But much of what I've heard from some posters is whether a conservative station should be allowed at all. It's pretty disgusting stuff.

[nicky10013]

I agree, if it's about premium licensing, than obviously that's a legitimate debate. But much of what I've heard from some posters is whether a conservative station should be allowed at all. It's pretty disgusting stuff.

From who?

[nicky10013]

That was me, Jack. Nice of you to remember. And if you want a quick recap of how that discussion went, here it is:

-Nicky denied that CBCNW aired those documentaries.

-I proved that they did.

-Nicky conceded the point then talked about how great it was that a broadcaster was willing to air controversial material that challenges peoples' sensibilities.

-I asked him if he thought it would be great if CBCNW were to air the British documentary Undercover Mosque.

-Nicky declared that no, it would not be great, because it could have negative effects.

Free exchange of information and ideas is awesome... as long as it's information and ideas that support ideas you believe in.

-k

I believe my response was this, making you a complete liar

I think it does. Even then, I think the CBC should call the right on this issue and show a bunch of "right wing" documentaries. If they all carry the same wonderful title as "the great global warming swindle" it'll show how reactionary, out of ideas and out of touch the right wing is these days. It'll also prove that if there is indeed a media liberal bias, well, maybe it's because reality has a liberal bias.

I wavered on showing a documentary on Islam, but also conceded that I hadn't seen it so who knows. Spreading lies and misinformation about one's sacred beliefs is something I don't really believe in. Which is why I said the same thing of Jesuscamp.

Hardly disagreeing with a fair exchange of information. You've misrepresented my positions to the point that you're doing what you're accusing me of doing.

[Smallc]

Sun TV News can go right ahead. I just don't think that it's needed. I'm also not sure it's wise to blend news and entertainment, looking to the US as an example of what not to do.

[August1991]

Margaret Atwood's reason (if anybody here actually read her reasoning, which is doubtful) isn't due to her opposition to what they aired but the process which it is going through to get the station on the air. That CRTC officials are being pressured by the government and that the government and future CPC will use it unfairly.

These are legitimate concerns.

Margaret Atwood's explanation reminds me of another nuanced American: John Kerry. For a supposed Canadian, Margaret Atwood strikes me as a typical Massachusetts Democrat.

... is there a problem? It's just a basic question asking you to offer comment on why Tory Teneycke and the sitting Prime Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, would hold a secret meeting with the Fox News founder, Rupert Murdoch and the head of Fox News, Roger Ailes. Surely you can divert some of your attention from the bus tour to answer such a basic question... surely!

Waldo, you look for complicated conspiracy theories - meanwhile, one billion dollars of taxpayer money is given to the CBC/RC every year!

Waldo, can you say honestly that the CBC reflects even partly the views of the 35% or so of Canadians who vote Conservative? Surely, according to you, the CBC should broadcast extreme fascist right wing homophobic racist sexist Christian talk shows for at least 8 hours every day. In a democracy, surely we Conservative voters have a right to use the State broadcaster too, no?

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Teneycke's piece is worth reading for several points. It makes plain that Sun TV is a Canadian organization not asking for special tax treatment. Perhaps most important, it makes plain that Canada's media - English and French - even with the Internet - needs another voice.

Edited September 5, 2010 by August1991

[nicky10013]

Margaret Atwood's explanation reminds me of another nuanced American: John Kerry. For a supposed Canadian, Margaret Atwood strikes me as a typical Massachusetts Democrat.

If you can't counter their argument, attempt to slander them by calling them American. Quite the Canadian tradition. I wonder what you'll say about Ignatieff when he becomes PM?

[Jack Weber]

You nailed it kimmy. But as usual, Jack's allergic to facts. It's interesting though. Apparently Canada can't have a "Fox News North", but we can have an "Al Jazeera West."

Since school(or in your case,skul)us starting soon,perhaps you'd like to stretch your brain matter,Professor Kitzel???

Could you please point out where:

1. I was "allergic" to the facts that kimmy provided?Other than the fact that she kept calling Michael Moore,ROGER Moore.

And as a follow up...

2. Could you please point out anywhere when I have said there should be no "Fox News North"?

As always...Please be specific...

This'll be fun watching you publicly display your cluelessness for the 3rd time in a week and a half...

Edited September 5, 2010 by Jack Weber