JerrySeinfeld Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Lefties like Keith Olberman, Jimmy Carter, Jeanine Garafolo, among others, are now claiming that those who oppose the health reforms in the US are racists. Is this fair? Discuss. We'll get to Barbara Boxer (D) california pulling the race card on a black chamber of commerce member later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Lefties like Keith Olberman, Jimmy Carter, Jeanine Garafolo, among others, are now claiming that those who oppose the health reforms in the US are racists.Is this fair? Discuss. We'll get to Barbara Boxer (D) california pulling the race card on a black chamber of commerce member later... No it's not. However, for those people protesting the health care reforms etc. while holding up blatantly racist signs...well those people are racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySeinfeld Posted September 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 No it's not. However, for those people protesting the health care reforms etc. while holding up blatantly racist signs...well those people are racist. I agreee - somewhat. But what is "blatantly racist". Is any unflattering depiction of a black man on a sign racist? I recall many unflattering images, effigies etc, namecalling of GW Bush. However I don't recall people crying the blues about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 No...opposing President Obama's health care plan is not racist...it is just politics as usual. Perhaps they didn't understand the job description. It is very "fair"...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bandelot Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 The tone of the majority of these criticisms is not racist. But a small percentage of it is. We do ourselves a disservice by paying too much attention to this small percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySeinfeld Posted September 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 The tone of the majority of these criticisms is not racist. But a small percentage of it is. We do ourselves a disservice by paying too much attention to this small percentage. Indeed. But it seems to be common fodder for Obama's allies in the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) Indeed. But it seems to be common fodder for Obama's allies in the media. That is because it is the last refuge of the desperate.....no way in hell that America falls for the lame racist pity gambit.....wanna pass health care reform? Then get the goddamn votes (from your own party...no less). Edited September 25, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) Lefties like Keith Olberman, Jimmy Carter, Jeanine Garafolo, among others, are now claiming that those who oppose the health reforms in the US are racists.Is this fair? Discuss. We have a thread on this elsewhere but since Jerry you never think about anything except yourself, I guess I have chosen to enter JerryUniverse. I'll post thoughts here, again - and bring JerryUniverse up to the relative speed of the real universe.Jimmy Carter did great harm to Obama by suggesting that opponents of Obama are racists. To win an election, Obama needs alot of white votes and suggesting that potential voters are racists is not a wise marketing ploy. Understandably, Obama has downplayed this argument. He has reminded people that he was also black in 2008 when many of them voted for him. Edited September 25, 2009 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I agreee - somewhat. But what is "blatantly racist". Is any unflattering depiction of a black man on a sign racist?I recall many unflattering images, effigies etc, namecalling of GW Bush. However I don't recall people crying the blues about it. were there racist attacks on bush??? if someone called obama stupid that's fair focusing on his colour is racist....and why isn't he seen as white of which he is 50%... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Understandably, Obama has downplayed this argument. obama can take the high road and let the racist dig themselves into a hole... He has reminded people that he was also black in 2008 when many of them voted for him.they don't have defeat him now, only hurt his cause a little and the damage is done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Anyone who are calling Obama criticizers as racist, are nothing but idiots. Always with the race card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Lefties like Keith Olberman, Jimmy Carter, Jeanine Garafolo, among others, are now claiming that those who oppose the health reforms in the US are racists.Is this fair? Discuss. We'll get to Barbara Boxer (D) california pulling the race card on a black chamber of commerce member later... No, it's not fair. In the Health Care debate as it stands right now, the racism isn't pointed at Obama, but rather at Mexicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weareone Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 were there racist attacks on bush??? if someone called obama stupid that's fair focusing on his colour is racist....and why isn't he seen as white of which he is 50%... Quite right, but now the attacks are not only at Obama, but his family as well. No one made dolls of the Buish twins, though they probably would have sold quite well. And, no one portrayed Laura Bush as an over muscled ape as I have seen posted on other forums. It just seems to me that the hatred of Obama isnot only focused on Obama but onhis family as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Quotes and citation please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Quite right, but now the attacks are not only at Obama, but his family as well. No one made dolls of the Buish twins, though they probably would have sold quite well. And, no one portrayed Laura Bush as an over muscled ape as I have seen posted on other forums. It just seems to me that the hatred of Obama isnot only focused on Obama but onhis family as well. Are these the Obama daughters dolls you're referring to? Because if they are, I don't think they support the argument that Obama's family is subject to hate. Just the opposite, in fact. They're adorable... about as friendly as a plush representation of a human could be. Are you seriously going to compare the treatment the Obama daughters are getting with the ride the Bush twins or Chelsea Clinton got from the media? Ridiculous. Obviously their age is a big part of the reason why. But even if they were young adults, I still doubt comedians would target them with the same kind of abuse that the Bush and Clinton daughters were targeted with, out of fear that the "humor" might be called racist. As for the treatment Michelle Obama gets from the media? It doesn't seem to be racist to me either. She's one of the biggest celebrities on the planet right now, judging from the tabloid magazine covers I see when I buy groceries. The attention she receives seems to be overwhelmingly positive... stories focus on her hairstyles and her clothes and how she establishes a healthy body image for 40-something women, and all sorts of hard-hitting news angles like that. Why did people leave Laura Bush alone? Because she was a very low key First Lady. If you want a fair comparison for Michelle Obama, the only other First Lady with that kind of profile was Hilary Clinton... who as I recall was a regular target for all kinds of abuse. That Michelle Obama is being picked on because she's black is absurd. She's getting a sweet ride so far. If you want to convince people that the Obama family is getting a rough ride because of racism, first you have to convince people that the Obama family is getting a rough ride at all. And I just don't see it. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Are you seriously going to compare the treatment the Obama daughters are getting with the ride the Bush twins or Chelsea Clinton got from the media? Ridiculous. Obviously their age is a big part of the reason why. But even if they were young adults, I still doubt comedians would target them with the same kind of abuse that the Bush and Clinton daughters were targeted with, out of fear that the "humor" might be called racist. I remember Rush Limbaugh calling 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton "the White House Dog." I don't remember anything about the Bush daughters. But I can recall you defending Shady's "jokes" about making porn with the Obama daughters, but I don't think anyone called him racist for it. Though I don't think that would be out of line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weareone Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I remember Rush Limbaugh calling 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton "the White House Dog." I don't remember anything about the Bush daughters. But I can recall you defending Shady's "jokes" about making porn with the Obama daughters, but I don't think anyone called him racist for it.Though I don't think that would be out of line. I think it is way out of line. Margaret Truman was reviled because she was ugly but was a good pianist and author. It is too bad that most look at the surface and not what is underneath. Unfortunately with the Obamas, they look at color first and in my book, that is racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I remember Rush Limbaugh calling 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton "the White House Dog." I don't remember anything about the Bush daughters. But I can recall you defending Shady's "jokes" about making porn with the Obama daughters, but I don't think anyone called him racist for it.Though I don't think that would be out of line. It was bad taste, but it wasn't racist. As soon as I posted that message, I realized: "Bubber is going to post here and bring up that Shady thing as an example of how the Obama daughters have been mistreated." And it only took 10 minutes. As if a guy posting on a message board is remotely comparable to the years of abuse the Bush girls took in the mainstream media. You seriously don't remember anything about the Bush daughters? You don't remember a million late-night comedy jokes about their supposed alcoholism? You don't remember Maxim magazine photoshopping their heads onto lingerie models? Have you been stoned for most of the decade? -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weareone Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Are these the Obama daughters dolls you're referring to?Because if they are, I don't think they support the argument that Obama's family is subject to hate. Just the opposite, in fact. They're adorable... about as friendly as a plush representation of a human could be. Are you seriously going to compare the treatment the Obama daughters are getting with the ride the Bush twins or Chelsea Clinton got from the media? Ridiculous. Obviously their age is a big part of the reason why. But even if they were young adults, I still doubt comedians would target them with the same kind of abuse that the Bush and Clinton daughters were targeted with, out of fear that the "humor" might be called racist. As for the treatment Michelle Obama gets from the media? It doesn't seem to be racist to me either. She's one of the biggest celebrities on the planet right now, judging from the tabloid magazine covers I see when I buy groceries. The attention she receives seems to be overwhelmingly positive... stories focus on her hairstyles and her clothes and how she establishes a healthy body image for 40-something women, and all sorts of hard-hitting news angles like that. Why did people leave Laura Bush alone? Because she was a very low key First Lady. If you want a fair comparison for Michelle Obama, the only other First Lady with that kind of profile was Hilary Clinton... who as I recall was a regular target for all kinds of abuse. That Michelle Obama is being picked on because she's black is absurd. She's getting a sweet ride so far. If you want to convince people that the Obama family is getting a rough ride because of racism, first you have to convince people that the Obama family is getting a rough ride at all. And I just don't see it. -k But Hillary Clinton has never been portrayed on the Internet as a muscular ape, and the same with Obama. On other forums Obama is referred to as a chimp. I think it is vile, however you want to look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 But Hillary Clinton has never been portrayed on the Internet as a muscular ape, and the same with Obama. On other forums Obama is referred to as a chimp. I think it is vile, however you want to look at it. Sure it's vile, and of course there are racists out there. But trying to equate all of Obama's opponents with what a few loonies on the internet are saying is a corrupt and dishonest exercise. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weareone Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Sure it's vile, and of course there are racists out there.But trying to equate all of Obama's opponents with what a few loonies on the internet are saying is a corrupt and dishonest exercise. -k If it were you, would you say the same? The derogatory comments toward the Obama family are nothing but racist. Which is amazing because both Michelle and Barack Obama are proudcts of white people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Any prez deserves some sort of praise for leading 350 million retards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 If it were you, would you say the same? Absolutely. And I'm sure President Obama feels the same. I'm sure he feels that a few hardcore racists don't speak for everyone who doesn't agree with his policies. The derogatory comments toward the Obama family are nothing but racist. Absolutely. But again, trying to use a handful of loonies to paint all of Obama's critics as racists is just underhanded politics. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weareone Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Quotes and citation please. Quotes and citations for what? You can do that yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 If it were you, would you say the same? The derogatory comments toward the Obama family are nothing but racist. Which is amazing because both Michelle and Barack Obama are proudcts of white people. "products of white people" ???.....now that is the most racist thing I've read so far. Carry on..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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