Healthcare Reform, Town halls and mobs.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I find it exceedingly odd that the community-organizer-in-chief has a problem with people in the community organizing.

Oh - but they're not "with the program" so we need a list of them on an email database.

Un freaking believeable.

Obama was supposed to be a race unifier. And the first time he's faced with a race question he give s knee jerk reaction demonizing white police officers without knowing what happened.

Obama was supposed to be "reaching across the ailse" to unify America, yet when people have the AUDACITY to ask a senator if he's even read the 1067 page bill prior to voting on it, he asks his footsoldiers to send him the "dissenters' email addresses to be put on a list.

This guy is just as radical as advertised. Too bad people chose to ignore all of his outlanding believes because he's "cool" and "black".

Edited August 10, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld

[BubberMiley]

Too bad people chose to ignore all of his outlanding believes because he's "cool" and "black".

What's an outlanding believe?

[Shady]

What's an outlanding believe?

He probably meant outlandish. Thank God you noticed.

[GostHacked]

Aparrently people are openly displaying their firearms at these town hall meetings/protests. Someone here talked about violence just being around the corner. Only one person needs to fire the gun once, and it will get out of hand.

edited forgot link

Edited August 18, 2009 by GostHacked

[g_bambino]

What a typical, moronic, left-wing post jdobbin. People are becoming upset about the health care issue and fools like you blame the Republican Party for organizing the resistance at these town hall meetings.

It may not be the Republican Party directly, but it would seem it is certainly instigated by that group's supporters. The BBC World News podcast last Friday included an interview with a man who used to be part of a far-right, religious organization that 20 years ago purposefully distributed false propaganda intending to frighten people about legalized abortion and sent groups to meetings in order to disrupt them to the point that all sense and reason was drowned out. He was selected by the BBC for commentary because he left these circles some years ago and is now revealing the motivating ideas of and the tactics employed by these libertarian groups; he said he has seen amongst the ranks of screamers at town hall meetings today some of the same people he knew back in the late '80s, and he certainly saw the same methods being used against the new subject of health care.

[M.Dancer]

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PHXBeat/60504

Black republicans or just not a heathcare booster?

[scribblet]

Nope...ACORN "mobs" already existed long before that. You pay attention......

Exactly !! ACORN brought in two busloads of prepped democrats some from out of district, to Spectre's meeting in PA. Moveon.org is also organizing democrats - talk about astroturfers LOL

I'm appalled at the way the left is demonizing protesters, Nancy P. should remind herself about the time she told protesters she loved disrupters..

[GostHacked]

It happens on both sides, playing the rest of us for idiots, because many buy into this bullshit for the fact they have no damn brain of their own. No critical or even the slightest analytical thought process at all.

Dems flip, Rep flop, then Dems flop while the Reps flip .. it goes around and around and is totaly counterproductive. Again, leaving the people who need it most , out in the cold.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/08/de...llent_phra.html

Roger Ebert writes a pretty good piece as to why this 'Death Panel' fiasco killed the bill.

[GostHacked]

Here is some footage of Barney Frank telling a person who is asking questions. .....

Here is one of the interactions. from CNN.

Here is Foxnews's take on it. Almost feels like an epp of the Daily Show.

and

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD8rAfgK9oY&NR=1

These kinds of questions do not garner any kind of respectability. They don't evern require intelligence to ask these kinds of questions. GO BARNEY !!!.

[eyeball]

Aparrently people are openly displaying their firearms at these town hall meetings/protests. Someone here talked about violence just being around the corner. Only one person needs to fire the gun once, and it will get out of hand.

I guess when super-powers go down they go down hard and the bigger they are the harder they fall.

Oh well, its not like we didn't know it was coming. There's nothing left to do now but keep our heads down and watch in fascinated horror.

Pass the popcorn will ya.

[bush_cheney2004]

I guess when super-powers go down they go down hard and the bigger they are the harder they fall.

Yep...before you know it....the Americans will have a Gun Registry too!

Oh well, its not like we didn't know it was coming. There's nothing left to do now but keep our heads down and watch in fascinated horror.

There was nothing left for you to do before either.

[GostHacked]

I guess when super-powers go down they go down hard and the bigger they are the harder they fall.

Oh well, its not like we didn't know it was coming. There's nothing left to do now but keep our heads down and watch in fascinated horror.

Pass the popcorn will ya.

I dunno, I have seen some great movies this year. *passes popcorn* Some of them were pretty horrific.

But still, all this takes away focus on what the debate is actually about and distracts the ADHD crowd to get them to vote/think in a certain fashion. Guns are not the debate, health care reform is. People attacking each other in these debates, noteworthy yes, but again, not helping the debate, and the whole bill will get stalled and the people that need this the most will suffer anyways.

They will suffer by 'death panels' or by not having any health care at all.

[Shady]

and the whole bill will get stalled and the people that need this the most will suffer anyways.

There is no bill. There's about 5 different versions in the house, and a couple in the senate. That's one of the problems. There's nothing concrete to debate or vote on.

[bush_cheney2004]

There is no bill. There's about 5 different versions in the house, and a couple in the senate. That's one of the problems. There's nothing concrete to debate or vote on.

Correct.....you are keeping good score in this game. Obama is getting blasted for not only a lack of leadership on the issue, but also for not having a unified bill that defines what's in and what's out. Opponents will carry the day just by delaying action with confusion, information, disinformation, and drama.

Just in today....Massachusetts has announced that they are kicking legal immigrants out of their gov't funded health care program to save $90 million. So much for universal access folks!

[punked]

Correct.....you are keeping good score in this game. Obama is getting blasted for not only a lack of leadership on the issue, but also for not having a unified bill that defines what's in and what's out. Opponents will carry the day just by delaying action with confusion, information, disinformation, and drama.

Just in today....Massachusetts has announced that they are kicking legal immigrants out of their gov't funded health care program to save $90 million. So much for universal access folks!

Does being "blasted" mean being trusted 20% more on the issue of Health care then Republicans?

[bush_cheney2004]

Does being "blasted" mean being trusted 20% more on the issue of Health care then Republicans?

Doesn't matter....the US Congress has and continues to have very low approval ratings. Trying to pull this off was a longshot from the 'git go.

[punked]

Doesn't matter....the US Congress has and continues to have very low approval ratings. Trying to pull this off was a longshot from the 'git go.

Doing nothing isn't an option.

[bush_cheney2004]

Doing nothing isn't an option.

But doing as little as possible certainly is.

[punked]

But doing as little as possible certainly is.

According to Republicans I keep hearing that. I also hear that them blaming Illegals for no reform is killing them even more with Latinos.

Doing nothing isn't an Option.

[bush_cheney2004]

According to Republicans I keep hearing that. I also hear that them blaming Illegals for no reform is killing them even more with Latinos.

So what....the Republicans are going to pick up seats either way. Even Blue Dogs are bolting from the "progressive" loonies. Perfect is the enemy of good enough or better.

Doing nothing isn't an Option.

That's what the Clintons thought too.

Edited August 19, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[Shady]

Doing nothing isn't an option.

It's a false choice to make between "doing nothing" and Obamacare. There is a middle ground.

And stop citing Obama's approval numbers. He's sinking faster than the Titanic. At the rate he's falling, he'll be lucky to have a 40% approval by the end of the year. He's gone from about 68% to 50% in a matter of 4 months.

[punked]

It's a false choice to make between "doing nothing" and Obamacare. There is a middle ground.

And stop citing Obama's approval numbers. He's sinking faster than the Titanic. At the rate he's falling, he'll be lucky to have a 40% approval by the end of the year. He's gone from about 68% to 50% in a matter of 4 months.

What is the middle ground Shady please tell me? Draw a line so when Republicans crush that becuase they want do nothing I can have you on the Health care reform side. Doing nothing isn't an option.

[bush_cheney2004]

What is the middle ground Shady please tell me? Draw a line so when Republicans crush that becuase they want do nothing I can have you on the Health care reform side. Doing nothing isn't an option.

What does health care "reform" mean? Is that like welfare "reform" ??

[punked]

What does health care "reform" mean? Is that like welfare "reform" ??

It means the system broken when 15,000 people every year die in the US becuase they don;t have insurance or their insurance will not pay medical costs. If something is broke you have to fix it. Doing nothing isn't an option.

[bush_cheney2004]

It means the system broken when 15,000 people every year die in the US becuase they don;t have insurance or their insurance will not pay medical costs. If something is broke you have to fix it. Doing nothing isn't an option.

So what? More people die from auto crashes each year...so you wanna ban cars too?

This has nothing to do with sick or dying people, just who is going to pay.