bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Tell me Shady give me a number as I have given you. Come on I will wait for it. I think we can agree reform does need to happen starting with the government putting up the money they promised. Doing nothing is not an option Shady. 22,001 Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 22,001 Nice too bad it is one of those republicans lies, like doing nothing is an option. Don't worry I will hear crickets from Shady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nice too bad it is one of those republicans lies, like doing nothing is an option. Don't worry I will hear crickets from Shady. You know, Canadians are dying today who have never died before. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Ouch Shady and BC More than three out of every four Americans feel it is important to have a "choice" between a government-run health care insurance option and private coverage, according to a public opinion poll released on Thursday.A new study by SurveyUSA puts support for a public option at a robust 77 percent, one percentage point higher than where it stood in June. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/n...o_n_264375.html Looks like a lot of people don't think doing nothing is an option Shady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Looks like a lot of people don't think doing nothing is an option Shady. Doing nothing allows you to not be accountable for any outcome as well. I can't take blame for it, I did not vote for it, I did nothing at all. I did not even do something to TRY to correct it. I am not accountable for squat. Pass the buck. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Doing nothing allows you to not be accountable for any outcome as well. I can't take blame for it, I did not vote for it, I did nothing at all. I did not even do something to TRY to correct it. I am not accountable for squat. Pass the buck. Accountable for what? You got no skin in this game. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 I think we can agree reform does need to happen starting with the government putting up the money they promised. Doing nothing is not an option Shady. Asking for more money is not reform. You want to do nothing. You just want the status quo. And that isn't an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Asking for more money is not reform. You want to do nothing. You just want the status quo. And that isn't an option. No I want the Feds to put the money they promised into the system. That is reform and it does need to happen. I have been fighting for this very thing I agree the status quo should not be an option Shady you can look through my post for this. Doing nothing in the US should no be option either their system is broken worse then ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 No I want the Feds to put the money they promised into the system. That is reform and it does need to happen. Dumping more money into a broken system is not reform. That's just doing nothing. And doing nothing isn't an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Dumping more money into a broken system is not reform. That's just doing nothing. And doing nothing isn't an option. It is better then what we had before, so what are your suggestions for the Health Care system. 90% say we should strengthen our current system while 77% of Americans say their needs to be a public option and a choice to use it. Sorry the people have spoken and you are left behind time for reform the way the people want it not the way Shady wants it. Doing nothing isn't an option when the people back you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 It is better then what we had before, so what are your suggestions for the Health Care system. 90% say we should strengthen our current system while 77% of Americans say their needs to be a public option and a choice to use it. Sorry the people have spoken and you are left behind time for reform the way the people want it not the way Shady wants it. Doing nothing isn't an option when the people back you. The "people" also didn't want obscene bailouts for banks or auto makers......so much for that theory! Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 while 77% of Americans say their needs to be a public option and a choice to use it. But the numbers tell another story, as well. Earlier in the week, after pollsters for NBC dropped the word "choice" from their question on a public option, they found that only 43 percent of the public were in favor of "creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government that would compete directly with private health insurance companies." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 The "people" also didn't want obscene bailouts for banks or auto makers......so much for that theory! You seem to be missing the point. The government should no go against the people. I am not defending them for doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 But the numbers tell another story, as well. Earlier in the week, after pollsters for NBC dropped the word "choice" from their question on a public option, they found that only 43 percent of the public were in favor of "creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government that would compete directly with private health insurance companies." That is right people don't want to be forced into a public option as Obama has said all along shady. What are you missing are you slow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 You seem to be missing the point. The government should no go against the people. I am not defending them for doing so. Now I know for sure that you are not an American! Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Do you think that maybe Obama should have gone to the States and created the healthcare system that way? To start this off, he should have said its all choice, public or private you pick and part of the problem is having people saying things that aren't true and I think he needs to have a news conference to set things straight. I wouldn't put it past the HMO's if they have their people going to these town hall meetings stirring it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Do you think that maybe Obama should have gone to the States and created the healthcare system that way? To start this off, he should have said its all choice, public or private you pick and part of the problem is having people saying things that aren't true and I think he needs to have a news conference to set things straight. I wouldn't put it past the HMO's if they have their people going to these town hall meetings stirring it up. That was mentioned in the CNN article I had posted a page or so back.The kind of thing in this thread parallels exactly what the real problem is in the debate for health care. You get gun toters, 'Obamanazi', death panels and other memes that excite the stupid. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Do you think that maybe Obama should have gone to the States and created the healthcare system that way? Massachusetts didn't need Obama to do that...just some federal waivers. Any other Governor can do the same thing. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I have been taking note of some of these Town Hall meetings about health care reform in the USA. Groups of people are gathering at these town halls and shouting down the speakers at these meetings. I don't understand the shouting down stuff. It will not accomplish anything but annoyances and piss off the others who are genuinely concerned about the reform and that want to civily participate in the town hall meetings.http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heathe...ling-strings-pr Personally I really like Maddow and the way she delivers her reports. She talks about this site http://www.americanmajority.org/news-and-views/news ..... If you wanna be grass roots, it's about 15 bucks to sign up. http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/gle...hey-say-how-hig http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/teaba...ealth-care-town During the Bush years,to the best of your knowledge,were there ever any protests against Dubya?Were any of these protests violent by chance? How often have you heard of anyone considered "conservative" being allowed to speak at most universities without violent protests? Everything I have seen regarding these so called "mobs" is blown way out of proportion by the very left leaning news networks,with the exception of FOX. The leftist agitators make the healthcare "mobs" look like pussycats by comparison. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mann/fo...a_b_252974.html And it is just that, something that we watch on TV and most will never do a thing about it. We have become complacent, and we are easily hypnotized by the repeated crap mantras both sides are spewing out. SO this begs the quesiton. Is this type of 'corporation sponsored grass roots' something you would support? Town halls are suposed to be civil and respectful. This is anything but, and in the end as stated in a one of these clips, the battle between the two groups will leave health care reform in the dirt, and the general public will not benefit from this. Thoughts?? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Dying for affordable health care What I don't understand is why the uninsured people aren't showing up at the town halls. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Dying for affordable health careWhat I don't understand is why the uninsured people aren't showing up at the town halls. Same reason they don't show up for work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 These so called health care "mobs"are rank amateurs compared to the usual suspects from the left.Last week on Glenn Beck's program ,he showed clips of the current town hall protesters and their tactics vs protests from the Bush years.There was a stark contrast in that the anti-Bush protesters did not seem to hesitate when it came to using violence.There was also a marked difference in how the protests were reported by the media.Town hall protesters are being described in rather nasty terms(Nazis, KKK,armed etc).The anti-Bush one's were described in much softer,gentler ways.No bias there huh?Journalists should focus on reporting the news rather than controlling it. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 It's not the best stepping up to the plate during these town hall meetings - I wonder if they control and filter the participants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Town Hall Meeting with U.S. Congressman Brian Baird Let's just say that Congressman Baird gets served, by a former Marine. "I also heard you say that you're going to let us keep our health insurance. Well thank you. But it's not your right to decide whether I keep my current plan or not. It's my decision." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Town Hall Meeting with U.S. Congressman Brian Baird Let's just say that Congressman Baird gets served, by a former Marine. "I also heard you say that you're going to let us keep our health insurance. Well thank you. But it's not your right to decide whether I keep my current plan or not. It's my decision." That does not even make sense. THAT HAS BEEN THE DEMOCRATS POINT ALL ALONG! Hahahahahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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