Iran Threatens To Attack Tel Aviv...

[HisSelf]

Do you honestly not see the idiocy of what you just said? In other words you can not back up your statement, thought so, pretty much par for the course with you, eh.

No. I encouraged you to go to an independent source and do your own homework. I have backed up many, many of the statements I've made here with full citations. You, on the other hand....

Anyhoo, since you seem to need spoon feeding mister ungrad, how about ABC news? This item came out at the top of a google search. You know how to use Google don't you? Just type in your terms and click search. It's easy. Even you can do it....

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Business/PainAtT...tory?id=5345255

But I'm sure you can see the idiocy now. I know I do...

[GostHacked]

That doesn't hold water. The Arabs have tried numerous times to wipe Israel off of the map. Israel won all these conflicts without the help of America. In fact, your 'side' often points out the US attacked America during the 6 Day War (which it did!). But we'll just ignore that bit...eh?

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Did you hear about the Chinese Godfather? He made an offer nobody could understand.

---Junior Soprano

I expect to be called an anti-semit as well in this thread, eventhought it would be wrong.

Huh ??? The US attacked America during the six day war?? Maybe I should ignore this bit ... but I will give you the chance to clarify yourself.

Isreal has had major support from the US and abroad. Military hardware. The US does not need to be directly involved, but when you have the US constantly shipping weapons to Israel, that are far superior to anything that is currently in the majority of Arab nations in the Middle East.

There are different kinds of support and different ways to fight whatever it is you are fighting.

[M.Dancer]

Fair would have been a 9mm bullet to Samir Kantar's melon years ago. But now he's free to do it all over again.

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I haven't for even one day regretted what I did. On the contrary I remain committed to my political convictions.

---Samir Kantar during his "hero's welcome".

No. Fair would have been to take a 5lbs sledge hammer to every bone in his body, one bone per day and then let him walk home.

[myata]

Had Hezbollah not been out kidnapping IDF soldiers, Lebanon 2006 would have been avoided.

So, the point about "eye for an eye" still applies. Thank you.

[myata]

I love how all's fair in love and war till someone rams a couple of planes into a building. Then all of a sudden, it's all about fighting fair...

No, you aren't getting it. The requirements of high morals only apply to them, baddies. We, here, on the good side, don't need to be worried.

[HisSelf]

Had Hezbollah not been out kidnapping IDF soldiers, Lebanon 2006 would have been avoided. It wasn't 'a full blown war', though, because Israel was forced to pull its punches. Had it been 'full blown', the only place one would find Hezbollah would be a history book.

Ha ha. Good one. So would the Ariel Sharon invasion of Israel in the 1980s qualify for full blown? Damned right it would. And guess what? Hezbollah is in the history books as a result.

So thousands of civilians in Lebanon need to die whenever an Israeli soldier (empasize the word soldier here) gets taken prisoner? Oh sorry. The politically correct word is kidnapped. Oy vey.

Is it really possible to kidnap a soldier? I think not.

I love the coverage of the exchange we are seeing here in the west. We have the dramatic pics of the bodies of the Israeli soldiers in two black coffins. We have the wailing and gnashing of teeth. The rending of garments in full six o'clock news coverage. We have the videos of the dirty rotten scoundrels who were returned to Lebanon LIVE. We have had, as far as I have been able to find, one single video moment (you had to be tuned in at just the right moment to see it) showing the CONVOY of Israeli trucks returning Lebanese and Palestinian bodies to Lebanon - also part of the exchange.

Oy vey.

[Black Dog]

Dancer:

Exactly. They will be professionals and win. What point is there to blow their load on Tehran if Itan's nuclear capability still exists?

What makes you think the two (revenge and victory) are mutually exclusive?

My point is that even if Israel has nuclear weapons (probability: 90% or so) they have never been tested.

It's widely suspected that Israel carried out a nuclear test in 1979. Even if that's not the case, do you really think a scientifically advanced state like Israel with access to the latest technology would spend time and resources amassing dud weapons?

So here's the doomsday scenario: Israel launches a nuke on a Jericho missile towards Tehran. It arrives over target and by rotten luck it falls into that 10% and the device doesn't go off. Now what?

I dunno: they try one of the other 100-200 weapons in their stockpile?

It's a widely held belief among arms-control experts that Israel began its nuclear program in the mid-1950s. One estimate, by the Federation of American Scientists (FAS), puts its arsenal at around 200 nuclear warheads, which would make Israel the sixth-largest nuclear power. These warheads can be launched by air (F-16s and F-15Es), by ground (intermediate-range ballistic missiles like the Jericho II), or by sea (U.S.-made Harpoon missiles based on diesel-powered submarines or ships). Experts say Israeli missiles can reach Libya, Iran, or Russia. It is also believed Israel possesses at least 100 bunker-busting bombs—so-called mini-nukes—which are laser-guided and capable of penetrating underground targets like nuclear labs or storage facilities for weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

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Some folks might argue that Israel has US or French nuclear weapons but, that doesn't really hold water due to the shelf life of such weapons (they'd have to keep on giving nuclear weapons) and the high probability of many more whistle-blowers than Vananu. This would also be true even with 'mere' blueprints...which Iran does have.

Israel does have something else Iran does not: an active and functioning nuclear program.

[bush_cheney2004]

....I have always taken the stance that the creation of Israel was a bad idea to begin with. I have stated this in other threads regarding Israel. For over 50 years we have seen plenty of violence directly related to the creation of Israel and even now with this sabre rattling with Iran clearly shows that this is the case. But since Israel has the US as a major backer, this is why Israel has not been whiped out yet. The Arab countries understand that it will mean retaliation by Israel and the US at it will not be pretty.

Israel's "creation" has more international legitimacy than either Canada or the United States, just ask the native PalestIndians. So I fully expect you to denounce the "creation" of our nations (and others) as well. The world will be a much simpler place using your logic, and it will be much harder to play a game of Risk.

[HisSelf]

Israel's "creation" has more international legitimacy than either Canada or the United States, just ask the native PalestIndians. So I fully expect you to denounce the "creation" of our nations (and others) as well. The world will be a much simpler place using your logic, and it will be much harder to play a game of Risk.

Ha ha. So here are the legits of the creation of Israel: a move by the US in the UN General Council (yes folks, that same UN General Council that gets so slandered these days); secondment from Russia (yes, folks, that anti-semite nation).

On the other hand, we have the birth of Canada at Confederation. "Where was the UN?", enquiring minds want to know. Come to think of it, where was the UN in 1776? Damn, were they not there at the storming of the Bastille? The signing of the Magna Carta?

Jeez. The UN really needs some work.

[bush_cheney2004]

Ha ha. So here are the legits of the creation of Israel: a move by the US in the UN General Council (yes folks, that same UN General Council that gets so slandered these days); secondment from Russia (yes, folks, that anti-semite nation).

I'm beginning to think that the oft declared ignore feature is really a code word for groupie worship.

On the other hand, we have the birth of Canada at Confederation. "Where was the UN?", enquiring minds want to know. Come to think of it, where was the UN in 1776? Damn, were they not there at the storming of the Bastille? The signing of the Magna Carta?

Where were the PalestIndians?

Jeez. The UN really needs some work.

So did the World Trade Center.

[HisSelf]

Yes. The ignore feature. I have used it to tune you out in the past and you are squandering your second chance, Bubba.

So where were the PalestIndians? Well. where were the Geneva Conventions?

Canada is negotiating its responsibilities with the aboriginal community. It is a long, slow, painful, and very expensive process. Ditto for Australia. Where is the USA in this and when will Israel come to terms with its 'aboriginal claims'?

[M.Dancer]

Yes. The ignore feature. I have used it to tune you out in the past and you are squandering your second chance, Bubba.

So where were the PalestIndians? Well. where were the Geneva Conventions?

Canada is negotiating its responsibilities with the aboriginal community. It is a long, slow, painful, and very expensive process. Ditto for Australia. Where is the USA in this and when will Israel come to terms with its 'aboriginal claims'?

Jews are the surviving indiginous people of the region. Arabs arrived thousands of years later

[GostHacked]

Israel's "creation" has more international legitimacy than either Canada or the United States, just ask the native PalestIndians. So I fully expect you to denounce the "creation" of our nations (and others) as well. The world will be a much simpler place using your logic, and it will be much harder to play a game of Risk.

You actually expect something from me?? *yawn* And I like ... actually... I love simplicity.

The US and Canada were created by themselves. Israel was created by a UN mandate.

The US and Canada took decades to come into being. Israel was created instantaneously.

The US and Canada took over the land on their own. Israel was given the land, and not by the locals.

I know this wont hold water to most of you buuut.

Canada now apologized to the Natives. Maybe it will take a couple more decades for Israel to come about.

Hisself.

I agree with you. The US uses the UN when it is convenient for them (as do most countries ... even OMG Canada). Even people like BC have no use for the UN. So how can they support a mandate by an entity they have no faith in, and do not even want to be a part of.

How can they support Isreal, when they do not even support the UN?

OH and the PalestIndians are still attacking.

[M.Dancer]

Canada now apologized to the Natives.

We certainly haven't apologised for taking their land, only for trying to teach them to read.

[HisSelf]

I really love it when Israel supporters cite the UN as the reason for its legit-a-ma-thing-ma-bob.

Just the best.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes. The ignore feature. I have used it to tune you out in the past and you are squandering your second chance, Bubba.

A pity....lack of self respect can lead to low self esteem dontcha know?

So where were the PalestIndians? Well. where were the Geneva Conventions?

In Geneva?

Canada is negotiating its responsibilities with the aboriginal community. It is a long, slow, painful, and very expensive process. Ditto for Australia. Where is the USA in this and when will Israel come to terms with its 'aboriginal claims'?

Painful for who? You? Don't make me laugh! Israel's only mistake was not to exterminate, dominate, "educate", and incarcerate just like Canada and the US of A. Nope, Israel is held to a much higher standard these days, eh? God Save the Queen, and all that jazz.

Edited July 17, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

Israel's only mistake was not to exterminate, dominate, "educate", and incarcerate just like Canada and the US of A. Nope, Israel is held to a much higher standard these days, eh? God Save the Queen, and all that jazz.

So you support genocide as well?? OK that might be a bit harsh of a label, even for you BC. So now you know why I do not hold Israel to a higher standard. All standards can be met when you lower your expectations. It seems like Israel is not even holding itself in high standards, if it did, maybe there would be no conflict in the Missle East (not a typo).

[M.Dancer]

It seems like Israel is not even holding itself in high standards, if it did, maybe there would be no conflict in the Missle East (not a typo).

What? Like the Bob Marley song? No Hebrew No Cry? If Israel held itself to the same standards as their enemies, their would be no conflict either....

[Black Dog]

We certainly haven't apologised for taking their land, only for trying to teach them to read.

That and the beatings and rape.

[DogOnPorch]

GH: Huh ??? The US attacked America during the six day war?? Maybe I should ignore this bit ... but I will give you the chance to clarify yourself.

Israel, pardon. The USS Liberty comes to mind. The US was so in bed with Israel they were passing information to the Arabs. They were so in bed with Israel during Yom Kippur that they stopped sending aid.

GH: Isreal has had major support from the US and abroad. Military hardware. The US does not need to be directly involved, but when you have the US constantly shipping weapons to Israel, that are far superior to anything that is currently in the majority of Arab nations in the Middle East.

The Arabs have enjoyed the almost unconditional support of Russia in terms of weapons. Where do your kind think their weapons come from? The weapon fairy?

As well, there's nothing wrong with Russian equipment. It is top shelf stuff...especially these days. It's more the poorly trained Arabs at the helm that make a MiG-29 a death trap.

myata: So, the point about "eye for an eye" still applies. Thank you.

I think the constant rocket attacks had something to do with it. You'd put up with it, then? You'd, say for example, let me sit across the street from your home and fire a hunting rifle at it? How moral of you. Do you at least get your children to duck?

HS: Ha ha. Good one. So would the Ariel Sharon invasion of Israel in the 1980s qualify for full blown? Damned right it would. And guess what? Hezbollah is in the history books as a result.

Yeah, the PLO were such huge players after they ran away like the cowards they were. Hezbollah is also known for bravely hiding amoungst civilians without uniforms. Same murderous idiots, different day. They'll get theirs if they stand in the open rather than behind someone's mother.

HS: Is it really possible to kidnap a soldier? I think not.

Sure it is. You kill all their comrades and then say hands up.

I love the coverage of the exchange we are seeing here in the west. We have the dramatic pics of the bodies of the Israeli soldiers in two black coffins. We have the wailing and gnashing of teeth. The rending of garments in full six o'clock news coverage. We have the videos of the dirty rotten scoundrels who were returned to Lebanon LIVE. We have had, as far as I have been able to find, one single video moment (you had to be tuned in at just the right moment to see it) showing the CONVOY of Israeli trucks returning Lebanese and Palestinian bodies to Lebanon - also part of the exchange.

Thank goodness you care because I sure don't.

BD: It's widely suspected that Israel carried out a nuclear test in 1979. Even if that's not the case, do you really think a scientifically advanced state like Israel with access to the latest technology would spend time and resources amassing dud weapons?

Proves nothing. I suspect my neighbor votes Green Party. You're full of speculation...short on actual facts. We covered all that Vela Incident stuff in a similar thread. I'll point out that that it was far more likely that it was South Africa rather than Israel responsible for that non-nuclear flash in the ocean. The truth for the moment is that nobody really knows what the bright flash was. But speculation is free.

BD: I dunno: they try one of the other 100-200 weapons in their stockpile?

My point...and please try to understand this...is that you don't plan first strikes when your nuclear weapons may or may not go off. It's a horrible risk for 100% certain negative world reaction. To make such a do-or-die move, the military if nobody else would demand 99.9% certainty of said move working as planned and produce dramatic results worth the instant infamy. Israel...no matter what speculation you come up with...does not have this certainty regarding its apparent untested nuclear weapons.

It's not something to be brushed off, either, as the entire MAD thing during the Cold War was based on the fact that both sides knew the other had functioning nuclear weapons. Israel is oddly unique in that its apparent nuclear stockpile has more value to them as a paper tiger than the real thing. Do they have 'em? Who knows!? Better not find out the hard way... This strategy has worked for Israel for some time and will continue to work right up until Israel is directly threatened by Arab nuclear weapons...or Pakistan if it goes totally radical. No room for paper tigers at that point. Maybe then we'll see an actual Israeli nuclear test.

Israel does have something else Iran does not: an active and functioning nuclear program.

Perhaps that is true. But, to actually believe that Iran has no interest in atomic weapons is to deny the physical evidence. They have everything they need...they just put it all back in the box and said 'look...no nukes here'.

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Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm.

---Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

[DogOnPorch]

Missle East (not a typo).

That's good because it's "missile."

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Homer: Isn't it also against theater policy for you to not wash your hands after going to the bathroom?

Kid: [looking at dirty hands] Touche'.

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[GostHacked]

Israel, pardon. The USS Liberty comes to mind. The US was so in bed with Israel they were passing information to the Arabs. They were so in bed with Israel during Yom Kippur that they stopped sending aid.

Dogonporch. It is called fabricating a crisis. A crisis in which you created soyou can come in do things and claim victor and high road.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

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America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

We know about planned operations by the US to justify an invasion during the Cuban Missile crisis. False flag operations do happen. But, I guess it was a good thing Kennedy shot that idea down.

[bush_cheney2004]

....We know about planned operations by the US to justify an invasion during the Cuban Missile crisis. False flag operations do happen. But, I guess it was a good thing Kennedy shot that idea down.

Yes, since JFK's tits were still on fire from the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961.

[GostHacked]

Yes, since JFK's tits were still on fire from the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961.

I wonder which failure he was assasinated for.

[DogOnPorch]

Dogonporch. It is called fabricating a crisis. A crisis in which you created soyou can come in do things and claim victor and high road.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

We know about planned operations by the US to justify an invasion during the Cuban Missile crisis. False flag operations do happen. But, I guess it was a good thing Kennedy shot that idea down.

Yeah...and the Illuminati did 9-11. I didn't realize you were one of those conspiracy theorists. We haven't had a good one since PolyNewbie. You have big shoes to fill. I'll be there to laugh at you at each turn.

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To the German Commander: Nutz!!

---General Anthony McAuliffe, Bastogne, Dec. 1944