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Can you provide any sources for that then?

Can you provide a link for that? I can't easily find it.

Riiight. The best way for the US to let Zelensky know he wasn't "entitled" to American support was to publicly validate years of Putin's propaganda and his justification for the war. That makes SO MUCH SENSE. 🤣 Thank you again for proving your devotion to Great Orange Leader, and what a ridiculous person you are. Is that how this works? Here, let me try this juvenile, proof-by-assertion line of reasoning: You are called a Trump sycophant because you are one. You constantly debase yourself defending even the dumbest and most ridiculous shit he does and says (see previous quote). Be a man and scroll back to my last post. This will confirm not only how much of a shameless liar you are (since I directly "deal" with your accusations there), but also highlights how compulsively you short-circuit and start screeching vaguely about lies when you don't like where a debate is going, as you have a 1000+ times before on this forum.

Unless there's policy to back it up, it's kind of pointless. Canada does a great job fostering an environment for innovation with a highly educated workforce. It's just that these innovations are smothered by a terribly structured and incentivized capital market and a regulatory environment more seemingly more concerned with maintaining oligopolies and status quos than spurring competition and success. Case and point is the housing market. The amount of money that went towards condo speculation and house flipping/upscaling was deliberate policy from various levels of government. It was a gravy train worth of fees and transfer taxes etc, and it heavily padded the retirement savings and net worth of baby boomers and landlords, but that's basically all it did. It was a spectacular failure of policy that didn't generate the new housing we actually needed, and it crowded out investment in things we actually needed (like livable and affordable new housing, or venture capital or financing for promising startups or successful companies looking to expand and compete in international markets).

Tragic. We've lost our Canadian Identity and Culture Minister. 🥱 Sounds like a great opportunity to shrink cabinet down to a more reasonable size to me.

Did you not read the part where I don't take anything you say or post seriously, and that I only read your posts for comedic purposes?

For someone who's spent the last two pages of this thread crying about dishonesty, it's absurd how much dishonesty you cram into a single post like this, and how much it does to prove everything I'm saying about you. Let's unpack: 1. I've already provided a list of answers to your question, bolded and italicized, SIX TIMES, in my LAST SIX REPLIES. Don't worry, I'll do it again here a SEVENTH TIME (feel free to answer if you're not too cowardly, but we both know you won't): Which part of Trump repeatedly stating that Ukraine started the war, saying that Zelensky is a dictator, fronting Russian wishlists as peace proposals (draft or otherwise), halting weapon shipments and threatening to cut off intelligence sharing do you figure has been helpful to Ukraine, rather than to Russia's benefit? Which part of that should Ukraine be grateful for? 2. Summarizing and minimizing all of the above down to Trump "saying a couple of stupid things" is either outright dishonest, or delusional. You can choose. Either way, it's good way of demonstrating how far up Trump's ass your head is, and how much of a sad zealot/sycophant you are. This aren't "Oopsie, slip of the tongue" moments either. These are deliberate behaviors he repeats, and they were predicted based on everything he'd said before he was re-elected too. You know about the boy who cried wolf, right? Same idea here. You calling someone a liar stopped meaning anything somewhere between the 100th and 1000th time you did it on this forum. You do it at the drop of a hat, against anyone that pushes back against your goofy smokescreens, and all it means at this point is that you don't like what they're saying. 🤡 When I call you a Trump sycophant and provide my reasons, that's as much a "comment of fact" as me calling you ugly and describing your unsightly facial features. That you don't seem to understand the difference between a subjective and objective statement not only makes your compulsive hair-trigger accusations of lying even more pathetic, it also neatly highlights what a ridiculous person you are.

They do, but to less and less an extent each year. The "elder" Millennials are in their early 40's now and starting to hold more sway. I believe, however, there was a huge appetite for change when Trudeau was still PM. He did such a horrific job managing the country that that folks were fed up and were willing to give PP a shot if it was a choice between he and Trudeau. Carney offered potential change without the baggage of Poilievre's culture-war screeching and MAGA monkeying, so they opted for him instead. I suspect he'll have a short leash, however. Folks aren't going to be very patient with him this government doesn't about-face on a lot of Trudeau's buffoonery. Scaling back gender politics and carbon policy, fast-tracking infrastructure and slashing the public service Trudeau bloated is a start, at least.

Carney actually understands and cares about economics, and prioritizes it over culture agendas. It's one of the reasons he was able to lift the Liberals out of purgatory, and also why he was able to beat Poilievre. That said, I think the turning point has as much to do with demographics as it does with Carney and Trump. The Baby Boomer generation is no longer the domineering voter Bloc that it had been previously, and it's preference for short-sighted comfort and self-interest is quickly giving way to Millennials and Gen Z voters who've been left with a fiscal and economic position much worse than their parents had.

They find validation in their collective stupidity. As I've said before, you're literally mirroring the Fox's behavior, and how he derails almost every thread he enters with his performances. Where you know exactly what you're doing and deliberately engage in low-effort counter trolling, Fox is engaged in a serious and existential battle for his internet forum reputation. Every post must be responded to. Every mockery must be defended against. The last word must be had. His fellow donkeys will WITNESS. 🤡

Typical User deflection - whataboutism. Even then, it's bullshit. While it's true that Biden and Europe/NATO etc didn't do enough and waffled and prevaricated on Ukraine out of fear, there's a big difference between not doing enough to help to help Ukraine or taking too long to do it, vs actively undermining them as Trump has. Best for who? Trumps actions and words seem more intent on ending the war on Putin's term's than Ukraine's. I'LL ASK A SIXTH TIME: Which part of Trump repeatedly stating that Ukraine started the war, saying that Zelensky is a dictator, fronting Russian wishlists as peace proposals (draft or otherwise), halting weapon shipments and threatening to cut off intelligence sharing do you figure has been helpful to Ukraine, rather than to Russia's benefit? Which part of that should Ukraine be grateful for? No doubt you'll run away again and refuse to answer, because it's embarrassing for you. There's that dishonesty you keep complaining about! For someone who accuses people of dishonesty at the drop of a hat, it's pretty remarkable how regularly you resort to it yourself! Aside from the fact that there are innumerable ways for the war to end, the dichotomy you present here is utter nonsense. You're also pretending to be in my head, making up a strawman to argue against that doesn't reflect my opinions or words. GREAT JOB ON ALL ACCOUNTS 👍 This sort of wet babyshit is tragic comedy. Calling a subjective judgment of your attitudes on Trump "materially false" is retarded, and just further demonstrates how limp and pedantic your debating skills are. When your debating skills evolve beyond whining and accusations of dishonesty the moment someone disagrees with you, let us know. 🫡

Because you've demonstrated you're not worth taking even remotely seriously, and thus your posts aren't generally worth reading. Whatever the topic is, the only thing we can be sure of is some obligatory, immature and usually nonsensical copypasta about lieberal commies, marxist fascists, and something about big-pharma or media or the WEF or whatever tickles your fancy for the day. It's all interchangeable. You're like the Manatees from Family Guy.

The point is that it's the US that's doing it, despite Trump, not because of him. There are enough old-school Republicans that recognize the threat Russia poses that they won't indulge Trump and push back on his shameful attempts to throw Ukraine under the bus. Like what? What are you bashing him on? I don't post here that much anymore, but I've seen you defend Trump for the most egregious and ridiculous things he's done and said (like Jan 6th), and never seen you offer more than token criticism, so prove me wrong buddy! Your conduct in this thread certainly isn't helping your case! 😆 I listed the facts for you. All of the things I listed in the question you've evaded FOUR times now are facts. You're calling them distractions because you don't have answers for them. You won't even acknowledge them. Here they are, a FIFTH time: Which part of Trump repeatedly stating that Ukraine started the war, saying that Zelensky is a dictator, fronting Russian wishlists as peace proposals (draft or otherwise), halting weapon shipments and threatening to cut off intelligence sharing do you figure has been helpful to Ukraine, rather than to Russia's benefit? Which part of that should Ukraine be grateful for? I called you a Trump sycophant. You are. Not liking the claim doesn't make it a lie. You twisting your brain into a pretzel trying to rationalize and deflect his disgraceful conduct is. 🙃 Regardless, you don't get to whine and moan about people not responding when you've refused to answer a clear and honest question FOUR times now. All it does is highlight the game you're playing. Like a 5 year old playing checkers, you're making up the rules as you go. Your opponent needs to individually address the piles of disingenuous and pedantic smokescreens and deflections you throw up, but you don't even have to answer one simple question, asked repeatedly. That's the rub here. As soon as these debates try focus on something you don't like, the automatic and assured response is, "NONONONO YOU'RE LYING! 🤡

Mollifying and validating the incoherent rage and ignorance of people who get their news and skience from Facebook, Twitter and random blogs etc isn't what I call fiscal responsibility, but you obviously have a different opinion. 🫡

Funding approved under the Biden administration. They are doing more, and they're doing increasingly more as time passes. Bashing Trump on the Russia file is 100% deserved, because he's been bad for Ukraine and good for Russia. The only person ignoring the facts is you, and the fact that you've refused to address or even acknowledge my direct question THREE TIMES now is proof of it. I'll ask again, A FOURTH TIME: Which part of Trump repeatedly stating that Ukraine started the war, saying that Zelensky is a dictator, fronting Russian wishlists as peace proposals (draft or otherwise), halting weapon shipments and threatening to cut off intelligence sharing do you figure has been helpful to Ukraine, rather than to Russia's benefit? Which part of that should Ukraine be grateful for? Keep running away and putting your head in the sand, but my point stands. You support Ukraine, but trip over yourself defending Trump's obvious harmful actions and attitudes towards them, and all the help he's been to Putin. It's shameful, but also good comedy. You brought Nationalist up, not me LOL. I've already acknowledged I know you're pro-Ukraine and anti-Putin. My criticism of you is based on your cognitive dissonance around also being a diehard Trumpy, who by word and action, seems pretty pro-Putin. It's demonstrably true. The efforts you waste defending and deflecting from Trump's conduct on virtually every issue, no matter how ridiculous, is the proof. You could, of course, attempt to disprove me. After all, you've apparently been been critical of him...so let's see it? What are you critical of? Marshmallow criticism about "he said a dumb thing" or couched with "but but but Joe Biden" doesn't count, by the way. You could, of course, take a stab at the question you've run away from THREE (soon to be four) times now. At any rate, you mewling about dishonesty or lying is a meme on this forum. You've overused and abused the complaint so often here that at this point it means nothing more than that you don't like what the other person was saying. That is, of course, ignoring the oblivious hypocrisy of these complaints considering how evasive and dishonest you are. Whining about dishonest questions when you've offered up gems like, "DUrr what leverage? DurRR define a just peace. DuRRR you want NATO to declare war on Russia?" is a joke. Complaining about people ignoring your points or questions when you've run away and refused to answer a question I've asked you clearly three (now four) times is even more pathetic.

Or, they're not too interested in the politics of man babies from the conspiracy clown parade.

Do yOuR oWn ReSeArch.

Your question was what leverage was there against Russia. It was a stupid question which you've already acknowledged the answer to - just another one of your worthless smoke screens, like "define a just peace". 🤡 The willingness to apply that pressure is what Spanky was questioning, specifically in the context of Trump, who seems unwilling to apply any against his pal Putin, and plenty against Ukraine. The Europeans, for their part, have been waking up and are now more important contributors to the Ukraine war effort than the US. They're making themselves increasingly more important to Ukraine's survival, while the Orange Baboon makes himself increasingly more of an obstacle. What was I lying about, exactly? That you're a die-hard Trump sycophant? That wasn't a lie, though you accusing your debate opponents of lying is even more common than accusing them of running away from you. I never compared you to Nationalist either. I just find it amusing to see you, with your emphatic anti-Putin convictions, flail and cope with the reality that Trump has been a gift to Putin's war effort. I'll ask a THIRD time: Which part of Trump repeatedly stating that Ukraine started the war, saying that Zelensky is a dictator, fronting Russian wishlists as peace proposals (draft or otherwise), halting weapon shipments and threatening to cut off intelligence sharing do you figure has been helpful to Ukraine, rather than to Russia's benefit? Which part of that should Ukraine be grateful for?

No, this is how you need to re-imagine how it played out, because you said a bunch of objectively dumb shit. Here's how it really played out: Spanky sees that the shameful peace proposal the US fronted (and apparently wrote) was a Putin wish-list, and rightly recognized that it demanded much from Ukraine and nothing from Russia. Your response was another useless smoke-screen demanding to know what leverage anyone had to demand concessions from Russia, which is utterly ridiculous considering you're acknowledging right here that the US and NATO do, in fact, have leverage that could be applied on Russia. DURRRRRR indeed. 🤣 Why can't you answer the question I asked? I'll ask again here, just to make sure you didn't miss it and nobody can accuse you of...running away: Which part of Trump repeatedly stating that Ukraine started the war, saying that Zelensky is a dictator, fronting Russian wishlists as peace proposals (draft or otherwise), halting weapon shipments and threatening to cut off intelligence sharing do you figure has been helpful to Ukraine, rather than to Russia's benefit? Which part of that should Ukraine be grateful for? 🙄

Coming from you, that's rich. Sarcastic drive-by snipes in cherry red are your specialty, aren't they? Getting lumped in with Hardner is okay with me though. I probably disagree with him on as many things as I agree, but one thing that he has that most of you don't is a bit of perspective. When you say he stands for nothing, what you really mean is that he's not just a partisan screecher and that you find it frustrating that he actually asks you to answer questions and to defend your viewpoints. 🙃

The farmers' message was heard loud and clear....in the form of crickets chirping across the country.

Is that the only option here, in your mind? Either the US bullies and pressures Ukraine into accepting a tragically bad peace plan, or NATO threatens war with Russia? I'd suggest there's a grey area in between, including novel concepts like not blackmailing Ukraine with halts to weapon shipments and intelligence sharing, and Trump not regularly handing Putin propaganda victories. Of course you'll never miss an opportunity to strawman though, will you? The reality is that NATO has economies of scale dwarfing Russia's, and a firm and non-equivocal commitment to support Ukraine's defensive efforts and to thwart Russia would probably have been enough. The only thing that you're consistent with is your fawning support for that dumb baboon, and the amount of energy you spend rationalizing and defending the stupid things he says. You spent most of 2024 emphatically critical of Russia and everything they did and said. Once Orange Man got elected and he (predictably) started undermining support for Ukraine and parroting Kremlin propaganda, you quickly fell in line and started echoing and defending his bullshit. Which part of Trump repeatedly stating that Ukraine started the war, saying that Zelensky is a dictator, fronting Russian wishlists as peace proposals (draft or otherwise), halting weapon shipments and threatening to cut off intelligence sharing do you figure has been helpful to Ukraine, rather than to Russia's benefit? Which part of that should Ukraine be grateful for? 🙄

That requires the capacity for perspective. He doesn't have that.

Commie lieberals! Clever! You forgot to say your bit about Prime Minister Carnage and something about Marxist Fascists though.

The combined economic and military might of NATO backing and supporting Ukraine isn't leverage? LOL! 🤣 This level of cognitive dissonance is astonishing. After watching you enthusiastically support Ukraine through most of 2024, it's been comedy seeing your convictions evaporate in the face of everything your Orange Messiah does and says.