Michael Hardner

They often want the facts to care about their feelings. That's why they cite TrueNorth news, which deals in anger before facts.

I did NOT. Liar.

Long post to say you have no evidence. I appreciate your honesty, sincerely. But you continued your post assuming this is a fact. I can't follow this without proof.

I need a cite on the number of doctors we lost. That was your point I think. 1. Chemistry. 2. As far as I know, it's pretty easy still to get a job in IT. I had only have anecdotal evidence of a few friends who joined the industry and got in the door pretty easily. 3. Agreed.

1. All right then. What do you want to do? You want to measure by? How many years someone's been in Canada? Because the Canadian economy designed to benefit Canadian citizens. Even then, I'm sure that a growing economy helps so-called old school Canadians. Of course it's impossible to find metrics around that, because.. what would that even look like? 2. You are loading the dice on your argument here. Lots of Canadians who have been here for generations benefit from more people being here. Again, I'm not arguing net benefit overall. Putting an empirical argument around that would be difficult if not impossible. 3. No, you're not conservative. You're NDP. Who exactly are you worried about then? One Canadian businesses make money, Canadians overall make money. Even the NDP believes that there is some level of trickle down But again, you are loading the dice. It would be impossible for me to find a survey or a study that looked at, for example, second generation canadians and how they have benefited over the last 20 years. Anecdotally, I have lots of examples, and even examples of groups of people. What about home builders? What about renovators? I know lots of people who did that for a living and none of them are first generation or even second generation I think. Real estate agents, people involved in providing goods and services for new homes. Do I have to survey the race of a Bell repairman who comes to my house to prove it to you?

Cite on this please.

1. A relative of mine worked at Burger King and his TFW co-worker had a Masters degree. 2. Tons of IT jobs. 3. No, they can't work without Canadian accreditation.

Who pays ? Not the poster you responded to...

CBC reports the numbers that the Immigration Ministry Reports. If they're wrong, that's on the government.

1. 2. 3. I'm starting to sense that this conversation might be going sideways. Point a) - You have added a new category of stakeholder that you call "newcomers". So if I point out that something benefits working Canadians, you might now be able to state that - no - it only benefits 'newcomers'. Point b) - You seem to be claiming that there is absolutely no economic benefit for working Canadians. I have pointed out that demand for goods and services increase, and surely you don't need me to explain why this provides an economic benefit to working Canadians do you ? Note that I am not saying 'net economic benefit', but instead 'cash in their pocket'. That's all I am saying. The 'net economic benefit' discussion is not what I'm intending to have here, I am just pointing out that there are some winner. We had the 'net economic benefit' discussion in the past, which is a huge topic that requires us citing economists who disagree with each other and that is where that discussion went. Point c) - If large Canadian companies make money, then 'Canada' makes money. Let's not muddy the waters on that. I feel that we've probably discussed this as far as it will go, but as I have pointed out in the past I appreciate your perspective and you carry yourself (generally) well in these discussions, especially when you avoid demonizing actors in the economic game. You have changed my mind on things. Cheers.

1. I will calmly assure you that my relationship with that product is very deep. DM me for details. 2. It was a contact high due to the potency of BC weed. The judges knew it.

1. I'm glad nitpick with you. Babylon is known as a city-state, and towns and other kinds of jurisdictions make laws. It's semantic and nebulous 2. An anarchist is an extreme form of libertarian, which is an extreme form of conservative. But it bends around... So they smoke weed, are vegan, and date trans people. IOW they are your worst nightmare 3. And not a good day for me. It's true. But you have to have your captain crunch and stop insulting people.

1. Lots of entities create laws, and laws predated Nations too. If you want to accuse me of nitpicking, then that's fair... But look up a guy named Hammurabi. Also see 'International Law'... 2. Said the man who has never smoked weed with an anarchist at 3 am. 3. Yaaaaaaaawn... Somebody give Insult man a bowl of Capn Crunch...

Well, truth be known In a pacificst as meaningless and admittedly incipid it is for me to say that. No one should cheer on death of civilians or ones own countrymen IMO. I find it immoral.

I don't care if they are or not. Obviously it's important to Americans but I'm not interested in their messes.

Yes, of course people take sides on anything. Even science. But behind the politics, there's supposed to be an objective reality that any one of us can really just take our best guess at. And these days some of the people arguing don't seem to believe that. They think that they have an absolute truth, and that people who disagree with them are 100% wrong. Our political system is set up In opposition to such ideas... It is set for wise people who have differences of opinion to discuss and try to get closer to that truth. To say half of the people are just wrong is to say that politics is a bad idea, and we should just have the smart half decide everything. And I would come to that conclusion also, if I felt half the people were just wrong. I mean you must somehow believe that I have something to offer, or I'm redeemable.. because you're trying to convince me to come over to the right side. All of this based on your ridiculous idea that somehow I like Joe Biden, or thought he was a good president... Or would defend him. It's so weird how you have to put me in some kind of box that way. Haven't you ever known or liked someone that had very very different politics from you? How do you resolve that in your mind? It makes politics more like religion to think of those binary terms.

I don't know. I just don't see the world that way. And our system wasn't designed for that.

1. Yes. It was a funded attack, I am sure. 2. 👍 3. To be honest, I got a lot of my leads from YouTube, but from people who had good credentials such as careers in science, journalism... And they themselves would point to official sites for the source data such as NASA I also watched videos from the outlying scientists and the skeptics, as well as people who would respond to the skeptics and debate with them.

It's not about politics. Discussion isn't a zero sum game.

There are no losers and this isn't wrestling. If you think that, you should really leave.

1. Well... I think Dunning Kruger is a kind of ignorant derangement, not exactly a 'lie'. Many ignorants think they know something that others don't. 2.The hit job was executed. Try to follow. Do you know what happened with Climategate ? To add: my studies, such as they are, ARE amateur since I am not being paid but also I don't submit original material - I cite experts...

As I said... Earlier there didn't seem to be any Trump supporters overjoyed with this, even though they're celebrating some of the good news that has manifested so far...

1. Ok - but doubting the experts isn't a lie. A lie is wilful misrepresentation of what you know to be true. Everybody doubts the experts. 2. Well that's wilful ignorance, it sounds like. I didn't understand climate science that much until people came on here about climategate many years ago. i got interested and it was executed as a professional hit job on naive academics...

1. Yes, that's better. 2. Ok well you seem to say both sides do it, which I agree with.

1. I don't like using the term lie. If you thought the conservatives lied, you wouldn't back that up. Would you? And yet both sides excuse the other of lying Climate change is real. Some exaggerate the threat, others call it a hoax Are these lies?