impartialobserver

I supplied data not narratives. In all reality, I gave your argument some quantitative teeth. But my being dispassionate bothers you.

Thanks for being rational and civil. I know that not's your style usually. I am not sure where to start because I laid it out already. Biden's true job gains would use Dec. 2019 as the starting point. So why not March or April 2020? Using Dec 2019 to March 2024 as the time frame takes the "bounceback" out of it. Not sure how else to explain this. It makes intuitive sense to me. Also, I use qcew because it is not an estimate. In the US, if you are an employer who pays into the unemployment insurance, you have to report your employment, wages, taxable wages, and ui contributions paid amongst other things. CES (the usual jobs number) is a monthly estimate based on surveys, qcew past data, and some statistical modeling.

I do employment data for a living (ces, laus, qcew, unemployment insurance). Mostly the last one but spent 8 years being the primary processor of the other 3 so I know them intimately. The point is that I gave the true data (job gains when pre-covid (2019) and the most recent (march 2024) are the endpoints not just a cherry picked, disingenuous view of it. I thought that you would appreciate that but apparently not. Oh well. Interesting how you glossed over how I pointed out that Biden's true job gains were less than Trump's.

They operate on the principle that if it happens once then it will happen again and get worse.. .slippery slope and all that. I can see how in some instances they are correct. However, this took place in a highly populated area and the gay couple did have options. now, were those options what they wanted? No. The quality of the options is of no relevance as long as the options exist.

The blatantness of the lie is not what interests me. It apparently makes you lose sleep. I know the truth.. heck, I do it for a living. So in short, I am not swayed by such claims. However, must be too cynical for my own good. When I give folks the data (this forum as an example) they gloss over and start falling asleep.

While I empathize and feel bad for those who were in the path of destruction.. no chance that I ever move to Florida (this is one of many reasons) and very little chance I ever visit there.

Politicians lie and twist things to fit their narrative. Its part of their job. As Americans, we implicitly give the ok for it by re-electing them. You and I know that the true job gains are far less. Hint.. it is very fortunate that the new qcew data comes out on November 5, 2024. While it does not show a loss in most states.. it will show a slower growth rate than in past quarters. to give you more context.. he (and everyone else) uses CES (Current Employment Statistics) which are monthly estimates. The data that I supplied is not an estimate. The reason that few use QCEW is the lag time of six to eight months.

If I was the gay couple in this case.. I simply would have went elsewhere. The bottom line enacts social changes more than slacktivism.

I heard this same thing in 2016 and the number of Americans that moved to Canada or the UK was miniscule. Talk is cheap.

Its simple math... I gave you the before covid jobs and then gave you the most current data. If you want the true job gain (not just those that were taken away during covid and then essentially given back), I supplied the raw data not second hand interpretations. politicians lie and always will. Had Trump won in 2020.. he would be touting the same job recovery.

Meh.. if americans knew how much of their products either were made in China or were made mostly or partially from chinese inputs.. they would be crying.

its a state government office with 5 distinct sub-units. I am the supervisor in one of them. As of yet, only have 3 employees in it (myself and 2 others). State law says that you have to have 3 supervisors on the interview panel when you hire someone new. It just happens that my unit does not have any non-whites in it. It could in the future. If and when I hire a fourth person (no guarantee as to if that will ever happen).. it will depend on who applies and gets through the screening process.

Now to cut off the more sleuthy types, one will see the number of establishments (distinct units that report and pay UI tax) grow from 10,061,480 in 2019 q4 to 11,862,683 in 2024q1 with almost no declines. That is an increase of 1,801,023 establishments. It is deceptive because what happened is that folks went remote and became their own distinct UI item usually in another state. They essentially worked for firm xyz in San Francisco but were working remotely (and therefore started their own UI account) in idaho or utah. Conversely, now that they are moving back to San Francisco (just an example), their accounts in Idaho, Utah, Nevada, wherever are closing but not immediately. Established law says that you can't close it unless you have 8 quarters of non-reporting or the firm requests it. So for now.. the count of number of establishments is a bit inflated.

I am not the supervisor to any of them... another assumption of yours just went up in smoke. I have been on the interview panel for 4 of the 7. 3 of them pre-date my time here. When I have been on the panel. I have voted for them 3 of the 4 times.. Based on what? Superior resumes and skills.. I know that you would view this a diversity hire and could not be bothered to read resumes/applications.

Not m*rons.. they have as of yet, been superior to their past counterparts. However, I know that you view them as diversity hires whereas I see a resume and then results..

Nope.. originally from Honduras but became a citizen in 2019. But I know that if you worked here.. it would bother you that a non-white (seven of them and counting) was selected. You would complain about him and the others being diversity hires others despite them being citizens and their superior qualifications and as of yet, superior results.

Not in my dept but getting ready to hire another non-white. This would really bother Deluge. The candidate has a masters degree in mathematics from University of New Mexico and has done similar work in the past..

none of the above. Besides, legally it would not work due to the subjectivity of being a supporter or not. Free speech allows for all opinions not just those that a certain group supports.

last thing about Marxism. Lenin knew that Marx's ideas and theories were predicated on a gradual evolution where the proletariat rises up, negotiates, rises up again, and so on. He knew that imposing it with an iron fist was not what Marx had in mind. Marx's ideas were not political.. he (wrongfully) thought that labor would over time not be content with being treated poorly and would demand change. So saying that Lenin and Stalin were Marxists is simply not true. They were brutal autocrats who used Marx's ideas to justify their terrible ways. Marx's entire philosophy was based on Western Europe in the 1850's. Being that he never went to North America.. he had no idea that technology was fast approaching.

I give no credit to Biden but in the aggregate.. jobs did increase. All of the jobs lost during covid came back plus more. Yes, the media is going to use the low point during covid as the base number. This low point was 105,812,026 (private employment) in April 2020. This computes to a gain of 25,106,766 jobs or 23.7% gain if you use March 2024 as the endpoint. Now if you use the end of 2019 as your base then it computes to a gain of 4,560,049 jobs or 3.6% gain. Compare this to a similar period during Trump's time (Dec 2015 to Dec 2019) which was a gain of 8,051,026 jobs or 6.8% BTW... if you want to know how to get these numbers on your own I can easily explain how to do this via the Internet or if you are ever so brave.. R Studio. I use Private (ownership = 50) because it was what was affected more during covid. Government employment (fed, state, or local) is fairly stable in the short term. You could go state by state but that is time consuming unless you know some serious programming.

the topic (at least I think it was) of the thread was the misleading job numbers. https://www.bls.gov/cew/data.htm Federal Govt. employment as of Dec. 2019 (pre covid) - 2,848,802. March 2024 - 2,985,529. Thats a gain of 136,727 Private employment (non-government). Dec 2019 126,358,743. March 2024 130,918,792. + 4,560,049 This is not CES (the monthly jobs esimtate). It would appear that we have exceeded the pre-covid job totals. The high point pre-covid was either in August or November 2019 nationally and in most states. Nationally, it was nov. 2019 with employment of 127943339

as to the topic.. If I had my way the candidates would be neither Harris nor Trump. Hopefully in 2028, we get a better crop.

or they are seeking affirmation. They come on here wanting to vent and seek like minded individuals. And when you do not give them the affirmation.. they are offended. It really bothers them that you are not bonding or coalescing with them.

I am talking about Marx. Clear enough? Marx and sanctuary cities are not the same... no matter how you twist it.

This is unrelated to my point.