TreeBeard

So, you’re saying we need subs to go under the ice, but we’ve never had subs that could go under the ice…. I’m unconvinced that we need these ice-subs. We’ve done alright so far. I googled…. $2.8 billion per submarine.

Have the current subs ever gone to the Arctic since we’ve owned them? They've been to Japan and the Mediterranean. But I can’t find any evidence that they’ve been deployed in the Arctic. Everyone in Canada says we need subs for the Arctic, yet I’ve never heard of our subs being deployed in the Arctic. So…. does Canada really need subs?

Serious question…. does Canada’s navy need submarines?

My only point was to refute the claim by @herbie that EVs should cost thousands of dollars less than they do based on his dubious math. EVs are the future, obviously. I like the Kia Soul EV. Tiny on the outside, huge on the inside!

The temporary COVID measures are gone. Just like everyone, other than hysterical conspiracy nuts, said they’d be. No one is allowed to set up camp and shut down a city…. do you think protestors in the USA have freedom to shut down cities? He says dumb things all the time.

General Motors Co. plans to tell investors that the company expects its electric-vehicle program to be profitable in 2025, the same year it’s targeting sales of 1 million battery-powered cars, according to people familiar with the matter.Chief Executive Officer Mary Barra will outline a plan at GM’s Nov. 17 investor day to show how the automaker can cover investments for battery plants and assembly, and build the Ultium battery program’s margins. Executives also plan to detail GM’s push to go from selling just about 44,000 EVs this year in the US -- at a loss -- to profitably becoming one of the nation’s biggest EV producers, said the people, who asked not to be named because the presentation hasn’t been made public.

LOL “Canada doesn’t have a 1st amendment. USA is the best country in the world because we have a first amendment”. Grade school level arguments being made in that video. That is what passes for “summing it up quite well” with you? You have very low standards.

I read that manufacturers aren’t turning much of a profit from EVs though. So, costs of making EVs seem to be higher and there is an economy of scale that they’re not able to meet currently.

Used car prices down 3%…. Not alarming at all. Still 50% higher than a couple years ago. Of course there will be a correction, especially once new vehicles become more available. Plus, interest rates should slow down sales. https://www.consumerreports.org/buying-a-car/when-to-buy-a-used-car-a6584238157/ Why would this cause alarm? Isn’t a correction expected after the massive jump in prices?

You think a manufacturer can switch to building EVs in a seamless fashion where the costs to build are exactly the same as ICEs? Did you take into account an increase in capital costs, like building new plants or retrofitting existing plants? Are the labour costs the same? Did they need to build, buy and program machines specifically to build EVs? You can’t build a Ford Focus one day and then flick a switch and start building the hideous E-Mustang thingy the next day with the same people and machinery, can you?

Your questions about who sits in the House on a particular day can be easily handled by parliamentary procedures. There are plenty of countries that do a proportional system and work just fine. What is wrong with having Parliament reflect the way the population voted? In the case of the last election: CON - 34% 115 seats LIB - 33% 112 seats NDP - 16% 54 seats BQ - 8% 27 seats GR - 7% 24 seats MAX the nut - 2% 7 seats (1 extra seat due to rounding error) Edited to add: I understand why the 2 main parties want to maintain the status quo; 40% of the electorate gives them 100% of the power.

The organizers probably realized there was no profit in it? What were the millions of dollars raised by the few organizers actually used for? I wonder where this money ended up…

A jab isn’t an invasive medical procedure, and they actually can require vaccines. Court approved and everything; it is settled law in Canada. Plus, you have no problems for health workers needing mandatory vaccines…. so we both think mandatory vaccines are ok, we just draw our lines differently with respect to who should have to get them. So don’t pretend you’re the freedom guy and get outraged just because I think bank workers shouldn’t be able to infect each other the same as you do healthcare workers.

I hear ya, pro-science guy!

If a business (maybe a bank) didn’t want to lose workers due to an outbreak within their place of work, is your opinion just to say “too bad. You’re going to have to put up with shutting down your business when an outbreak happens”?

@Moonlight Graham didn’t know of such a thing until I told him about the banks. It seems like he hasn’t really thought about it, or researched it whatsoever. Maybe one of those forum “devil’s advocate” types? Which is great…. if one has put some thought into their posts.

Everyone who received the vaccine consented to receiving the vaccine, except perhaps minors.

We’re both pro-vaccine and pro-science. Terrific. But, you said if I didn’t want the vaccine, then I would have the opposite opinion. You have the opposite opinion and still wanted the vaccine. Im not really understanding your argument. You seem to be projecting a selfish trait onto me without really explaining why.

A fetus certainly is a human being and does have rights. It just has less rights than the woman. It’s a problem with their competing rights and the fact that bodily autonomy trumps any rights the fetus may have.

If I was an anti-science conspiracy person, then I would have a different opinion? I suppose you are correct. I’m arguing that society’s interests are more important than the very, very rare individual who may have adverse effects. You arguing that every individual shouldn’t have to do sacrifice anything for society as a whole is the “own interests” argument.

Luckily, they were temporary measures. Extreme? Absolutely. But, we’re all the better for it, even the free-dumb people.

You have never heard of any business, or provincial government, having a vaccine mandate? Is it maybe because you’ve never looked? All the large Canadian banks had a vaccine mandate https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/vaccination-mandates-employees-rights-1.6142584

The article wasn’t about Canada.

What’s a “carbon credit”?

Do they do a better job than non-Caucasians?