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The thing that bothers me about it is there are die-hards like him if not worse who usually signs up for Isis and other anti-american groups. Their most damaging infraction is sowing the seed of discord; spewing anti american propaganda, undermining American moral authority, seeking to divide people, calling us American Imperialist and the like. They bring a message of hate and division with our allies. This is the sort of propaganda our adversary have been spilling into Europe and the rest of the world. Pure un-adulterated political subversion. He reminds me of the hippie generation of Jane Fonda. He might even be an annarcho-communist. Yuri Bezmenov, a soviet defector that defected to Canada says it takes 15-20 years to demoralize a country, because that is the amount of time it takes for a whole generation to grow up and rise to power. Groups like Anti-fa and Alt-right are pawns used in this war of words. It is definitely a challenge to unify a country let alone a coalition of countries. I wonder how the greatest generation did it? They definitely didn't have some of the problem we have today with a lack of distrust for our own government(plenty of good reason to) and general sense of alienation from society because we seem to have a lost a "fundamental friendliness toward one another" -Sec Defense James Mattis. I think I'm going to look up a book to read up on this topic.

I'm just going to safely assume most Canadians are definitely not as anti american as you.

LOL, good luck with the unity part. The whole reason we got into this "trade war" mess in the first place is because of your protectionist policies. Trump suggested our countries do completely free trade which is beneficial to both, but your PM wanted to keep his pride at the cost of your money. You can thank Trudeau for that.

We are frenemies. Actually we should annex you straight out of the fascist playbook. Which concentration camp would you like to go to? Disneyland or seaworld?

Sieg Heil mein fuher!

Look you win canada, you caught our bluff, we can't stay mad at you.

I know exactly what will happen. We will probably talk about it over beer.

Divided as in morally or physically because if America falls it won't bode well for you so called "allies".

A little off topic but are you a conspiracy theorist by chance? Lets assume you are right, assume I'm brainwashed by trumpian logic. How do you plan on stopping me?

Ah I see how the canadians operate. Such brittle spirit. Am I suppose to throw in the white flag and surrender because somehow you disagree with me? Attacking my moral characters for lies because you think you know something I don't ? Well its a shame you choose not to discuss our differences because the alternative to resolving conflict involves sticks.

Stop reverting back to ad homien logical fallacies. Address the issue stated above . How do you plan on dealing with iran.

Thanks for the help? I guess? Buyer's remorse? Anyways, so yes ,how do the canadian and i guess the european plan on dealing with Iran? Since you all pride your selves on not getting your hands dirtied and staying on the moral high ground (seemingly wanting to have your cake and eat it too). Allow them to continue the four other points i mentioned previously while only choosing to confront the nuclear threat leading to a destabilized middle east where you will have to call big brother to sort out your mess again and blame us later for it? Kind of like ukraine? Advocating support for ukraining democracy and do nothing to help them when russia invaded in retaliation because they don't want a ukraine economically close to the west? Throw your partners under the bus?

Lets continue this debate, i find this much more productive then beating each other with a stick, albeit my stick is much bigger. The same Iranian who held american hostage for over 2 years who now supports state sponsored terrorism and extremist islamism? Yes lets discuss their fate .

You are absolutely right public deception isn't just a liberal bias is a conservative bias as well. Cheney was very influential on the Bush administration i acknowledge this. Do not detract from the previously stated facts, about nuclear reactor and gasing of kurds. Would this have been reasons enough to go to war? These could have been reason enough to go to war. Or perhaps cheney believe other american interest were at heart like oil? Which funny enough the chinese and european benefited from. The american oil companies didn't even bother. Ofcourse we have the benefit of hindsight now. Iraq is now a democratically liberated state. The moment they held democratic election for the first time in all of iraq's history that in it self is victory we been fighting and dying for. If the same needs to happen in Iran then so be it.

Bush may very well have mislead the public, why would I be surprise he is a politician. I am seriously talking about the facts stated above. Look it up. Iraqi nuclear fusion reactor purchased from the french, gas attack on kurds. The question remains, were these reasons enough to go to war over...

Iraq did have wmd, they were building nuclear capabilities until the israel destroyed it. They then pursued chemical nerve agent which they used on the kurds. These are truth so dont discount that and buy into the liberal bias. Were those reasons enough to go to war over i do not know. Those are political questions that our elected leader get to decide. Back to Iran, you provided me no evidence where Iran does not wish the dissolution of the Israeli state. As far as I'm concern israel is our allies and we will stand by them.

Those 9 plans are still about the destruction of israel. Even if they plan to do it by voting. Which isn't actually the case since some of the other points clearly suggest "arming" an insurgency. Which proves my previous post about Iranian insurgency. Look i don't care what YOU think about Iran or for that matter the Israeli, I care about what our defense and intelligence agency says about Iran (Clearly you internet commando somehow believe you know more about everything than the CIA because you know how to use google search). They have clearly stated that the current iranian regime (not the iranian people) as a threat.

I don't think you are well read on this matter. Look up Iranian proxies in lebanon, syria and yemen. It's a shame you can't work with us out of some misguided belief that we're nazis. Oh well I guess America has to do what its always done lead by example because the rest of you all seem to lack the initiative. "The only thing worse than fighting a war with allies is fighting a war without them" - Winston Churchill.

Lets dial back the rhetoric here. I don't see any benefits in fighting canadians and our allies over domestic politics. Lets just agree to disagree. Where we can work together to resolve world issue should be the international stage. Iran is a regional threat, china and russia is a global threat as defined by our 2018 pentagon defense strategy. If you like me to clarify and break down why these countries are a threat then I will do so.

I think we're talking about two different worlds here. Our adversary really really respects us now. You guys, our allies, might not because you don't like our elected leader or foreign policies etc... This is typical with the pendulum swings. Democrats/ liberal president has always been more popular with our allies than the Republicans/ conservative. Bush did what he thought was right and by the way he was forced to invade Afghanistan, I don't know why he decided to invade Iraq, I don't have access to enough data to pretend to preach to you about that. And for the record it wasn't bush that killed our soilder it's Iran lets make that clear now. If you think America is the number 1 threat to world peace then I think we should consider ourselves adversaries. Because I am unapologetically American. I defend American values and interests. I don't care who is in office so long as they share the same basic belief as outlined in our constitution and declaration of independence. I might disagree with our elected officials over methods of achieving America's national interest and its foreign interest which ever they maybe (changes from administration to administration) . But I am a patriot and an American first and always! There is no his america or my america there is only our america.

Again I would point out that the trump administration seek to limit not only the nuclear threat but also all the other mentioned threat. They are trying to get a whole sale price for something that Obama was unable to achieve. It's ambitious but I think is ultimately the right direction (probably where we differ). They see that as long as Iran has money it will use those resources for no good and is a much bigger threat in the long run than nuclear . So pulling out of the nuclear deal and reimposing sanctions was a means to an end.

Yall gave up your nukes for no reason and asked us to house our nukes in your country. I digress but anyways. The problem with Iran is five fold, cyber, insurgency (state sponsored terrorism, hesbola/lebanon, houthi rebels/yemen), nuclear, maritime (mining of strait of Hormuz, threats to close sea lanes etc..) ballistics missile threat. The Iran deal only dealt with nuclear. We have four other concerns that even if we manage to contain the nuclear threat will allow Iran to threaten regional stability. Especially with the lifting of sanctions as they will use their new found resources to further the aforementioned goal. You have no Idea how close we are to global chaos (this is what i loose sleep at night over) under the previous Obama administration because of his risk averse foreign policies and willingness to pull american forces back. Luckily our new secretary of defense has reverse much of this trend. We need to force Iran back into the negotiation table much like we're negotiating with you all on trade. The real solution to Iran and this is a hard question, is do we as western democracy align our values with fundamentalist Islamism. We respect Islam so I'm not talking about a war against Islam. I'm talking about fundamentalist Islamism as defined here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism). Americans are not going to allow women to be bared from education and that only recognize one religion as the true religion. Because that is what the current Iranian regime is, fundamentalist Islamism. They are not just a state but also a revolutionary force much like America. There is no point defeating an enemy and allowing it to manifest it self in other areas like lebanon, yemen and syria. Please watch Mattis's speech about this global issue. You find he is very thoughtful and has deep knowledge of world issues.

We got what we wanted out of the meeting. The rest will be up to the state department and our diplomats to work out. Hopefully they will be successful in this endeavor. the hope of man kind is with them.

We got those pre condition, get our deceased remains back, release of our hostages, cease ballistic missile testing and some gesture at blowing up some tunnel. Good enough .

Our strategy is the maximum pressure to force them into the negotiation table. Allowing for peace to work I don't think this is inconsistent with our overall strategy of deterrence.