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I re-watched the ad and I still don't see where they say ALL MEN are like this. I did notice they said, "We believe in the best of men." and "Some men already know." Those indicate to me that they are not saying this is ALL MEN. Sorry, I just don't see how this ad is attacking ALL MEN.

I'm not out of arguments. There's just no point in discussing with you if you believe what the ad portrays has no relevance to real life and only want to flip the topic to what you perceive as women's failures. If you want to correct me, use the reply box and don't change what I said in my own reply box, please.

Please don't change what I said and then put it in a quote box, like that's what I said. If it applies to some men, then what's the problem? You want to make sure that everybody knows that not ALL men are like portrayed in the video? Don't worry. We do.

You don't agree that the ad applies to men. That's fine. That's your opinion. My opinion is that the ad IS pertinent. If you want to talk about how women are cunty manipulative gold-diggers start a thread about it and if I want to, I'll join that discussion. You're the one changing the argument and the thread topic.

I do understand. It's offends you when men's violence is talked about.

So......you want ads that address women that "may" be like that, but you don't want ads directed to men who "may" be like the men portrayed in the ad. Got it.

I understand that you do not want men's issues discussed. You're trying to flip it to your perceived women's issues - ie: women are cunty manipulative gold-diggers.

You're flipping the argument. This is about men and the Gillette ad - not about women.

Why do you feel that men do not have any changing to do in their thinking or behaviours but women do?

I don't see this ad as attacking masculinity. I see it as redefining it. I see it as expanding it. I'm not sure why that frightens and offends some men. MY BF says that his father taught him to be respectful of women - opening car doors, etc. Which is great. But his father also said things like, "I will never vote for a woman politician. It's not their place." and every time his mother talked about buying something, he would chastise her with, "Yeah, with MY MONEY!!!" like she had no hand in and contributed nothing to the 58 year marriage and didn't deserve to spend $20 on that new whatever. Respecting women is much more than just opening car doors for them. I'm not judging his dad - he was 81 when he died last year and was really just a product of his times. But thank the Goddess, men with those views are a dying breed. I also think equality scares some men. Maybe they think if they give up any power to women, women will take over and dominate them in the same way men have dominated women through the centuries. I've also seen relationships where the wife is clearly calling the shots on everything. That is just as dysfunctional and detrimental to families as when the man calls the shots on everything.

Ummm, no. That's why I made the distinction between "manly" men and men who are physically aggressive with women. I was stumped before for a word instead of "manly" but I think I'm talking about general "man" traits, the ways men and women are different. Not in a bad way, but let's face it - men and women often think differently about things. I would say it's more than 1%.

Hmmm.....I see what you're saying. I'm not sure women are the ones to blame for male aggression, though. (I know you're not blaming it JUST on women.) Perhaps like men are not generally attracted to a "butch" looking woman, women are generally not attracted to effeminate males. And while women in general may be attracted to more "manly" men (I can't think of a better word right now) the vast majority of us are not into getting beaten. A personal anecdote, I broke up with someone who got into fights everywhere we went - sometimes verbal, sometimes physical. When I talked to him about it, he said, "I don't start fights, baby, I finish them." Good-bye. Thanks for playing. So yeah, not all women are into aggressive males.

I agree that men also get the wrong messages from advertising, along with the pressure to look a certain way physically. I don't think it's as pervasive as it is with women. I think men have been given a warped view of what it means to be a man - Boys will be boys, Only sissies cry, etc..... https://www.healthline.com/health-news/mental-masculine-ads-distort-mens-perceptions-030313#1 https://www.healthline.com/health/mens-health/traditional-masculinity

Well, at least men are getting called out on their behaviour. Women get called out for their weight, their face, their body, you name it. And yes, women have resented the implication for many, many years. And when women complain about it, they're told they're "getting hysterical." It's interesting to see when the shoe is on the other foot.

Calm down, Men! You're getting all hysterical

Ads for Women: Be thin! Be thick! Love your body! Get bigger boobs! Embrace your grey hair! Dye your hair! Wear makeup! Look natural! Hide your age! These pants are slimming..... Women: OK Gillette: Men should be less shitty. Men: Don't tell us what to do!

I've been concerned about this for a while now - the US could easily not feel we are securing our border (probably because we are not) and relations with the US/Canada could get very strained.

I love ruins! I loved the Roman Baths in Bath, England and I loved Stonehenge. The UK is great for historical ruins. Although at the end of 3 months, I was getting a bit ruined-out.

Ditto.

I do "get" what you're saying. Even though men commit like 99% of sex crimes and like 90% of over-all crime and atrocities, Gillette should focus on cunty gold-digger women manipulators.

I think it's because violent men are more of a problem in society than violent women. The same reason most breast cancer ads/campaigns are for women - men get breast cancer too. But the majority of breast cancer is in women, so the majority of campaigns are geared for women. Same thing for violence. Women are violent, too. But the majority of violence in the world is perpetrated by men. That's why this particular issue is geared more towards men. I don't believe this ad constitutes a conspiracy against men. Also, if you feel it doesn't apply to you, you can always ignore it.

Is this because you perceive the Gillette ad as "attacking" men, so you now need to divert attention from that by "attacking" women? Talking about men's issues is touching a bit of nerve for you, I think. LOL Kind of ironic, given the Gillette ad was talking about some of the ways that men invalidate women........

LOL I may agree with you on this one - to an extent. Women are generally called out for their appearance and for behaviours that are considered an asset as a man, but undesirable for females. Women have been targeted for self-improvement from the time advertising was invented. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/gillette-ad-toxic-masculinity-outrage-1.4979651

Because that is a common excuse for when men behave badly. Also, the ad seemed to me to address BOTH male-on-male violence and male-on-female violence. I see you're offended that male violence is being addressed in the ad. Is it because you feel it should have addressed violence from both sexes or do you not agree that male-on-male violence and male-on-female violence are issues?