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You guys can send all your "gay loonies" to me. I'll spend them.

1. I know you didn't. I did. It's a mainstream value of pretty much every Muslim-ruled country. World-wide polls show it is a mainstream value of Islam. We can add Brunei to this list: 2. Ahhh, yes.....you're one of those who believe our borders are magical, that these beliefs are dropped as soon as they arrive - so, what is the problem, right?? And the news coming out of Europe of attacks by Muslims on Jews, women and the gay communities are "fake news." You just go on "presuming"..... 3. If it's not a mainstream teaching in Islam, then why did this happen: Most Muslim-majority countries and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) have opposed moves to advance LGBT rights at the United Nations, in the General Assembly or the UNHRC. In May 2016, a group of 51 Muslim states blocked 11 gay and transgender organizations from attending 2016 High Level Meeting on Ending AIDS. And this: You "presume" it's getting better. It's not. 4. Funny how you believe Islam is tolerant toward the gay community but you think there is a "large number" of homophobic people in our own country. Because it seems to me that views on the LGBQT community in the West are softening in the last few decades, but it appears to be going to other way in the Islamic world. My concern is that at the same time we are making great strides in acceptance of the LGBQT community, we are bringing in masses of people from areas that do not have that same value. If they came in a little at a time and were encouraged to assimilate, I would feel differently. I'm sorry, but you sound exactly like the people who insisted there were no ovens in Germany, while the ashes of people fell on their houses. You will deny these intolerant beliefs have any power until you're forced to clean up the bodies, just like the German people were made to do.

Just because some criminal in Western society beats up a transgender person, does not make beating transgender persons a mainstream value of our society. People that do these types of things, based on intolerant beliefs, are widely condemned in our society and dealt with by the law. It is a fact that Islamic-ruled countries have barbaric views and laws against the LGBQT community - that is a mainstream value for them. The fact that there are some in Islam who transcend those values, does not make acceptance of the LGBQT community a mainstream value of Islam, any more than the criminal who goes against our values and beats a trans person up represents our mainstream values. What "masses" of people among us oppose our values? You, and others, seem intent on equating the minority of Muslims in the world who are accepting of LGBQT community as reflecting their mainstream views, while at the same time, intent on equating the minority of bigots in Western society as reflective of Western values. For gawd's sake, an issue in our provincial election coming up is whether parents of students who join a GSA should be informed by the school of their child's membership. While a bit discouraging for myself because of my personal views, it's clear that we are fine-tuning an already established value. One thing they're NOT debating is whether these students have a right to an education or whether they should be shoved off the rooftop of the school. I shake my head that someone who enjoys nit-picking as much as yourself, does not see such a glaring difference. I doubt you will grasp the point I just made.

Stop bringing in masses of people who have values that are diametrically opposite of our own.

It only makes sense to an Islamist. I''m not one of those. Tell me, Altai......why do YOU never post the source of your information? That is a forum rule that seems to not apply to you. You have an entire thread of outlandish claims "Deep Information Pool" with nary a source quoted. You provided no source for the claim you made above. Tell me why you seem to be able to speak and write perfect English sometimes and other times can barely create a coherent sentence? Tell me why you seem to have completely different personalities depending on when you post? You should be careful before you call other people liars.

** holds up a mirror **

Enjoy your propaganda "sources". Which I notice you never post your actual "sources". Just a lot of wild unsubstantiated claims. Funny how the rest of have to post our sources, but not you. You seem to be able to spout lie after lie and never have to post a source. Wake up. The rest of the world can see that Turkey is a mess of terrorism, genocide, religious fanaticism and human rights abuses.

Try reading before you respond. Then you won't sound so ignorant.

Complete and utter BS. https://www.voanews.com/a/european-court-deals-blow-to-human-rights-efforts-in-turkey/4782202.html They found plenty of violations, but Turkey got off on a technicality and basically for being bullies: Massacring the Kurds isn't Turkey's only massacre - Turkey is pretty good at killing innocents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Turkey

I agree that it has to be Muslims themselves who lead the way in reducing Islamic extremism. I don't believe this will happen any time soon, as the mainstream attitude in Islam is that Islamic extremism as nothing to do with them, so they have no need to address it. And the Muslims who DO want to address it are often faced with death threats for suggesting there might be problems within Islam. Also, we have many non-Muslims in the West who are also very vocal that Islam bears no responsibility for it's own extremism and keep on assuring Muslims that they do not need to address it and are outraged and scream "Islamophobia!" if anyone suggests otherwise.

Statement on Immigrant Integration, National Security and Public Safety by David Harris, 2011 Statement on national security.pdf

While I agree with you that there has been/can be/is irrational fear of "different" people, I disagree that this is intrinsic to white people only. It's a natural fear humanity had since the beginning of evolution, it was a survival instinct. You can believe it or not, but Muslims have their own set of irrational fear of "others", too. Some fears about Muslims today are rooted in this natural fear we all possess, but the world is a very, very different place from when the early immigrants to Canada arrived. We are more accustomed to other cultures and seeing other faces and ways of doing things, due to advances in technologies that have made the world a closer, tighter-knit community. I disagree with you that all fear of Muslims is unfounded and based only on irrationality, racism and prejudice. Or any kind of "right-wing" conspiracy, frankly. For the time period you are discussing and trying desperately to connect to what is happening today with Islam - there is no comparison. Immigrants were mainly economic migrants, and they didn't belong to groups who were terrorizing the rest of the world.

No one in my family has ever said they've been called "mangiacake." They would probably find it amusing. Chinese people have a slang word for white people - "big nose". Should we all get our panties in a bunch over that? Every culture has a slang word they use for people of other cultures.

My ex family DOES know what Italians went through immigrating to Canada and I lived amongst the Italian community for 25 years. My kids are half Italian. Do I know "everything" about "every" Italian immigrant? No, but that's not what I claimed. I guarantee you - I know more than Jacee does about the Italian immigrant community and they do not feel discriminated against. If there were any people who discriminated against my family over the years, the family ignored them and does not talk about it to this day. Instead, they speak very highly of the opportunities Canada gave their family and are very proud of the hard work they've done here. I do not have any Muslim co-workers, nor have I ever said I did. I lived in a Muslim area of a city with a very active Muslim population and saw many things living there that belied the "Islam Is Peace" rhetoric. You're welcome.

Yes, it meant "without papers" because most Italians arrived with little or no documentation. My ex-family used to laugh about it all the time and call each other WOPs.

Yup. I texted my ex- SIL, who is now 70 and asked if she agreed with your statement and she texted back - "Hell no! We worked hard and were smart with our money. No opportunity was denied to us for being Italian. We're all millionaires now! Canada was nothing but good to our family."

Do you have a cite for this? I was married into an Italian family - a very large one - who immigrated to Canada in the late 40's and early 50's and I guarantee you that every aunt, uncle, cousin, mother, father, child and grandchild in that family would strongly disagree with you.

Yes. We should be pushing the Saudi version of Islam out of the schools and mosques here. No more Saudi funding, Saudi books, foreign Saudi imams. And clean house at the same time - get rid of the jihadi books in the school and mosque libraries and kick out imams who preach hate. Stop the disgusting Al Qud festival that goes on in major Canadian cities every year. Stop participating in "World Hijab Day". Stop Islamic schools from segregating the girls and boys (one even did not allow the girls to eat lunch until the boys were finished.) Start charging parents who take their children out of the country for FGM or who sneak around to have it done here. Stop paying terrorists. Start revoking citizenship of anyone caught cavorting with terrorists. Stop spreading the Islamist narrative that Canada is a cesspool of Islamophobia, while ignoring the racism and misogyny that goes on in every Muslim-controlled country.

Thank you for finally admitting that. For normal people, vengeance never gets past the fantasy stage because our rational minds and moral compasses kick in. And the fear of violent reprisal generally gives pause to vengeance-taking. Islam is an example of what happens when a religion highjacks the rational mind and the moral compass is no longer pointing due North and violent reprisal is mandated in its teachings. I've said before - the difference between Christianity and Islam is that very thing - Christianity is afraid to die. Islam is not. Martyrdom and vengeance-taking are a very large part of the religion. The effectiveness of revenge depends on your beliefs about whether it works. And for Islam, it works. Unless we are willing to cave into Islam's demands, like Britain did when it refused to accept Asia Bibi as a refugee due to a well-founded fear of violent Muslim reprisal, then the world is in for a tough time. We are in for a tough time either way - whether we cave in to their demands or not. So for that reason - I'm all for not caving in to their demands.

No, YOU separated out the women with this comment: I pointed out to you that the women are just as culpable as the men. You can disagree, wring your hands and boo-hoo for those women, but I certainly do not. And saying that is not me being "hysterical" or "freaking out". I stand by my statement - the women who joined ISIS are just as culpable as the men.

Why do the women get a "pass"? Do you really believe that none of them had any inkling that ISIS was a barbaric death machine, raping and destroying everywhere they went? Come on..... Unfortunately, like other children whose parents make horrible decisions for them, the children will suffer. That is the fault of their mothers and fathers who made the worst possible choice for them - they CHOSE to gamble with their babies' lives and they lost. You can boo-hoo and make excuses for these women all you want - but they are just as culpable as the men. They were tweeting instructions to their fellow Muslims all over the world to drive vans into crowds and kill as many of us as possible. They were fully supportive of the ISIS agenda. If you want them coming back here and moving in next door to your grandchildren, you are welcome to that opinion. But then, You would be no different than these idiot women - If you want to gamble with YOUR children and grandchildren's lives and let these female barbarians back in and allow them to continue to raise little jihadis in Canada, that is your choice. I have beautiful grandchildren who are being raised with love and respect for others and I will NOT gamble with their lives. And I am angrier than hell that Trudeau is willing to gamble our lives . Stripping citizenship from these animals is not "hysterical nonsense, other countries are doing it and we should be too.

The Liberals recently created a new bill to make it impossible to revoke citizenship. I don't agree with it. But then, Canadians were not asked or consulted. Which I believe is wrong. The government is there to serve us, not the other way around. Citizenship involves obligations and responsibilities, not just benefits. When a traitor renounces those obligations and responsibilities, they renounce their own citizenship, IMO. The US has this, which I think is how it should be:

It's a cycle of vicious retaliation. Neither side is innocent.

When is it going to end?

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/i-saw-my-isis-captor-and-rapist-in-canada-former-yazidi-sex-slave/